Although it isn’t really shown, Odo is nonbinary by definition isn’t he?
Gender: fluid
This is wishful thinking. It was made within a heteronormative society, and most characters who have love interests and relationship histories are hence straight.
Unless stated or shown it’s far more of a head cannon to assume a queer identity where none is suggested.
No media can fully escape the culture, period, and context it was created in.
With the debatable exception of Jadzia, all those characters were exclusively shown in heterosexual relationships.
Rejoined was a great episode.
Julian and Garak were clearly in a relationship. Just ask Garak.
all those characters were exclusively shown in heterosexual relationships.
That’s not exactly evidence against them all being bi
By that logic, there’s also no evidence that god doesn’t exist.
Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. Bisexuals exist and aren’t always obvious, so “absent evidence to the contrary, that person might be bisexual” is not an extraordinary claim — hell, assuming similar prevalence of bisexuality then as we see now, which is arguably the lower bound given the cultural changes depicted, it’s statistically improbable that there wouldn’t be at least one non-straight person in the main cast.
I don’t care.
I don’t need to know their exact sexual preferences. That is not of any influence to the story. If it was, it would have been in the story and if it was in the story, it wouldn’t have mattered what their preference was, because it would have made sense either way in the context of the story.
Issues of sexuality and gender are already being adressed in this show, there is no need to project them into situations where they’re not.
Right, but that’s a completely different thing than you were arguing. The likelihood of a character being queer is a Watsonian question about demographics of a space station, whereas whether it’s plot relevant is a Doylist question about themes and conservation of narrative. And given that Garrick was originally conceived as a queer character and the actor has explicitly stated that he wanted the character to be queer, but Rick Berman insisted that this not be done and instead wrote in a weird love story between him and young girl, I actually think it’s pretty f****** relevant to discussions around the culture of the show.
Sure, but that doesn’t mean they were exclusively heterosexual.
The definition of canon is that which is shown on screen.
Any character that does not explicitly say they were hetero/homosexual is canonically bi until proven otherwise.
If they’re not shown in explicitly sexual relationships, they’re canonically ace.
Oh shit, hoisted by my own Picard.
if they are not shown going the the toilet, they’re canonically in voluntary urinary retention
Canonically the poop is beamed out
Not too sure what’s debatable about Jadzia. Julian on the other hand… pretty debatable.
While she kissed a girl, it was never portrayed as a lesbian relationship, rather the post reincarnation resumption of earlier straight marriage.
Did Bashir ever pine after a guy? O’Brien doesn’t count.
If you’ve not noticed garak and Bashir… well, it’s worth a rewatch just for that.
Garak is a pleasure to watch, and Andrew Robinson said he’s intentionally coded as bi, but he’s not in this photo.
Julian has a relationship with garak, and while he’s obviously a bit confused about what it is it’s pretty evident garak is not.
Did Bashir ever pine after a guy? O’Brien doesn’t count.
Did O’Brien ever pine after a girl? Kieko doesn’t count.
Did Bashir ever pine after a guy? O’Brien doesn’t count.
Lmao yeah lets just throw away evidence.
Fun fact: George Takei himself complained that Sulu is portrait gay in the new movies. He said that even tho he himself is gay, he always played Sulu as a straight guy. But why would the headcanon of an actor be more important than any other
To be fair, John Cho played Sulu straight until it was revealed that he was gay. And even then, there wasn’t much gayness to his acting. Unless you count bringing a sword to a skydiving phaser fight, but I’d consider that more bad ass than gay.
And even then, there wasn’t much gayness to his acting.
Care to elaborate?
What is there to elaborate? Other than a brief embrace shown on screen, he didn’t appear to play the role in any stereotypical gay manner. That’s all…
Why would the character be a stereotype?
I didn’t say he was. That’s the entire point. They briefly showed some gay characteristics on screen, but otherwise he just played the character plainly.
Yeah, he played the character like a real person (who lives in space and brings a sword to a skydiving phaser fight) and not a caricature.
I’m assuming you don’t believe all gay men are stereotypes from 1980s comedies?
So, unless you were expecting there to be hardcore man on man penetrative sex on screen, what would “gayness” to John Cho’s acting mean?
I’m not playing this game. You’re obviously looking for a confrontation. You’ll have to find someone else to play with.
