Fat people: I should be able to get medical care beyond being told “you should lose weight”.
Dummies like OP: 😡
But what if the medical care is loosing weight?
What do you expect them to do when a 160kg dude is rolled into the ICU with his third heart attack of the month? A transplant?
Every time people talk about this, they always envision the most morbidly obese example that they can think of, when we’re really just talking about the average slightly overweight/obese people. Those people often have their actual medical needs ignored by doctors and are given “lose weight” as a cure all. There are literally hundreds of millions of people who experience this.
Lose weight often IS the cure-all as obesity is clearly linked to a litany of health issues.
Do you want to treat the symptom or the cause? Folks can take pain killers for their knees, but the issue here is often that the knees are overloaded with too much weight.
Idk much about ozempic, but before that, “Lose weight” was rough to hear because a doctor can’t wave a magic wand to fix the patients problems - the patient had to work to fix things. And if you’re honestly putting in the work, eating a healthy diet and exercising and you’re still struggling with weight, then I feel for you, because that suggests there’s a hormonal or other medical cause for the obesity, that the doc needs to go over. However I am certain that the majority of the hundreds of millions of people you cite don’t.
Studies show there isn’t an actual diet people can go on to lose weight and keep it off. The diet just doesn’t exist for the vast majority of people. People gain the weight back almost 100% of the time. The only thing you can do is prevent the weight gain in the first place, which isn’t that simple given our lack of walkable cities, cheap food being the least healthy etc
Given how seriously bad doctors say obesity is, I don’t understand why people are mad at fat people for taking ozempic.
Another thing to be mad about: the most expensive component of the ozempic shots is the plastic container it comes in.
I’d appreciate it if you can link some examples of those studies.
When I say “eat a healthy diet”, I don’t mean go on keto. I mean have some fruits and vegetables, and try to limit processed food intake.
EDIT: like I said, I don’t know much about ozempic so I have nothing to contribute to that end of the conversation, sorry.
Two studies (each reviewing a number of other studies) and an article putting it in lay terms:
"He and others have estimated that for every two pounds of weight you lose, your metabolism slows by about 25 calories per day, and your appetite increases by about 95 calories per day. So in other words, if you lose 20 pounds, your body will burn roughly 250 calories less each day while craving about 950 calories more.
To maintain your weight loss through dieting over time, you’ll have to continue eating less while resisting a rising appetite and slower metabolism, which is “increasingly difficult,” Dr. Schur said.
The drive to eat more is so strong because our brains “sense that our energy stores are being depleted,” she added, and “that’s a threat to our survival.”"
So diets mostly all work in the short term, but people just return to their top weight over time. Your body is always trying to get you back to your top weight.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32238384/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/obr.12949
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/well/eat/dieting-weight-loss.html
Because in a lot of ways “lose weight” really is a cure all, and it’s not some grand mystery as to why people gain weight.
It isn’t a doctors job to drug the people up so they don’t have to live a healthy lifestyle. Most people aren’t told too lose weight because they go to the doctor to lose weight, they’re told to lose weight when they go to the doctors for the litany of health affects surrounding obesity.
Mush brain rage bait. How many of these are bot made?
The combination of a strawman argument and a fat joke is just…not particularly funny?
I’ve argued with people who claimed being overweight isn’t bad for your health. It’s not a common position, but it’s not exactly a strawman either. It’s more like focusing on the crazies.
But the nature of straw man arguments is that since you are not citing someone who’s actually making that argument, there’s also not any way to refute it. “Somene somewhere is making a bad argument” doesn’t really mean anything. (What’s extra ironic is that this is an ad hominem attack against no one in particular)
Its not a strawman unles the bad argument is being misrepresented. Just because you don’t care to look for examples for fear of what you may find doesn’t mean that anyone who hasn’t thrown them at you up-front is engaging in a logical fallacy.
It kinda becomes a strawman when the meme presents “healthy at every size” people as the average “body positivity” person.
*on Twitter
The meme says on Twitter, the place you can find every extreme and shitty opinion blasted loud and proud
Yes, the meme presents “healthy at every size” people as the average “body positivity” person… on twitter
Obviously you can find any poor opinion on twitter, but it is still strawmanning body positivity as HAES… on twitter
You will also notice the meme shows a sponge who lives in a pineapple under the sea, which is simply impossible.
What an intellectually dishonest reply. “It’s just a meme, it can’t have any meaning!” despite the fact that clearly everyone in the comments is able to understand and discuss the meaning.
How cowardly do you have to be to hide from simply saying you agree with meme.
Naw I was getting at how nit picky everyone was getting.
But damn, that’s wild that you went straight for intellectual dishonesty as an attack and then pull the coward card. Really escalated that quickly.
It’s disturbing how being fatphobic is not a red flag like any other form of bigotry in this comment section.
Is it me overweight? No, they are just fatphobic and bigots.
Lmao brutal
I wonder how long until lemmy.world goes mask-off full maga. And I wonder how many people will be surprised by it.
I certainly won’t be. It’s looking more and more every day like The_Donald has found a new home. Only they’re just slightly more clever about hiding it.
I’m certainly not seeing that. Could be I’m missing those posts. Could also be some, such as yourself, are expecting to see something and applying a label to explain it.
Sometimes a meme is just a meme.
I’d tell you where to see it and what to look for, but my comment would probably be removed and I’d probably be banned for it. I’m actually surprised that the comment I responded to and my own are still here.
What? Sorry, I couldn’t hear you with your head in the sand.
Sometimes a meme is just a meme.
It’s just a meme bro. It’s just a prank dude. It’s just a joke mate.
Diets don’t work for me. I get hungry before bed time. My body doesn’t tolerate healthy foods. I can’t lose weight because I don’t have time to make it my No1 priority. Losing weight isn’t as simple as “just eating less” , , ,
I love fat people excuses, just admit that you’d rather have an unhealthy body than put the effort and self control in to gaining a healthy one. I’ve heard literally every imaginable excuse except “I’m being force fed!”
Some overweight people pretend that they are happy at their size, but give them a magic button that will turn their body fit and healthy in an instant and see how many of them refuse to press it. They literally can’t not just delay the gratification of excess food now in return for a healthy body that could months or years away.
Whilst I do have sympathy for people with severe medical or mental issues which are a primary cause for their excess weight, these causes are just not applicable for the vast majority of obese people.
I was once 300 pounds. If you can’t eat healthy foods just fast. Be hungry. Make it your #1 priority. Yes, some of these comments are mean, but your stance that healthy foods are intolerable seems ridiculous.
The whole meme is just shitty and not funny. Maybe do something about it?
I don’t really understand why people get so aggro like this and start fat shaming. Like, do you react this way whenever someone smokes cigarettes or drinks alcohol? It’s other people’s bodies. I have honestly never heard anyone say these excuses. I normally see fat people shaming and beating up on themselves. This kind of shit makes them feel like it’s not even okay to be seen because of this shit. Shame is not the answer.
I smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol. I’m an unhealthy addict. Obesity is a disease that shouldn’t be shamed, like any other addiction/ condition. It should definitely be acknowledged/ treated, though.
Obesity is a disease
To imply that every obese person is “food addicted” is actually just another excuse, this might come as a suprise, but skinny people like to eat too! Just as the people at the pub on Friday and Saturday night are not necessarily addicted to alcohol. It’s only really true in a minority of cases.
Not being willing to say, “no I’ve eaten enough, I don’t want dessert” is not proof of an addiction, it’s just proof that you value your health less than a cake.
What are you on about? We’ve literally kicked smokers out of public spaces and increased their insurance rates. Alcohol in excess will also get thrown in jail.
It’s not shaming anyone, to point out when something is objectively unhealthy. No-one is going around hounding people for eating an extra slice of pizza or having a drink with dinner.
But,when you are eating a whole pizza a day or are drunk at 8am people should point out that hey maybe that’s not the way to go.
…what? People shame others for drinking and smoking all the time. Bad example.
