National Conservatives: Ok I concede that housing is not a right. Next question?
WhY sHoUlD I use MY TaX DoLlArS tO pAy FoR pEoPlE wHo ArE TOO LAZY tO wOrK
This is also their argument against universal healthcare which I find astonishing.
I’m for available free housing and a Universal Basic Income, not even so I can quit working. I want it so I can quit working with people who won’t pull their weight. If I’m going to carry your sorry ass anyway, let me do it in a way that saves me having to interact with you. It could probably all be paid for by the amount my country’s military misplaces every year, too.
Huh, I never thought of it from this perspective.
It does rely on those people being aware that they’re not pulling their weight though. I’ve also worked with people who accomplished very little but thought they were the most productive ever and gods gift to the business
95% agree, the only sticking point is what we each might consider “unconditional”. You wreck the home I gave you and I’ll maybe give you one more and then too bad. Violence or sexual assault and we can give you a different home with bars.
Yeah this is the main problem. Might just mean the homes need to be more barebones and strongly constructed(soviet blocks?) so that if they start filling it with furniture its their furniture and they might be less likely to break it.
The ones that fuck up any place you put them in will fuck up every place they’re allowed to. Some people are just too mentally ill and should be institutionalized for the betterment of everyone.
I get the feeling most people in this thread don’t care about that though. They just don’t want people on the street where they have to see them. There’s a lot of out of sight, out of mind thinking going on here.
Even from a completely selfish perspective, if someone is going to do drugs, I prefer them to do them within four walls than in front of me.
Not only that, but giving them homes is going to be one first and essential step in ending the relentless mental pressure and misery that keeps them on drugs in the first place.
Hating to see needles on the street, or people shitting on the sidewalk, should be coupled with absolute passionate full throated support for UBI and “housing first.” If you hate both of them then you make no sense.
The kind of people who are chronically homeless might as well be commited as they’re more often than not mentally ill, or need massive counciling to bring them back into society.
most homeless people aren’t alcoholics or drug addicts, btw…
but, yep… most of the time, you’re spending all of your energy on meeting the lowest tier of maslow’s hierarchy… by the time you get some of that, there’s not much left in you to go and “get a job”
which, btw, most jobs very much will not be hiring homeless people, in particular…not to mention just grooming, showering, and bathing to get that job is pretty hard to come by, in most hostile designed cities…
And there are a lot of homeless people who have jobs, but they don’t make enough to actually live on. I met a woman who wanted to know if we knew of anywhere she could get a small towable trailer because she worked full time as a CNA but rent is so high that she was living in her car. She’d found a place that would let her park a trailer so she could at least have a bed, but didn’t have one. This woman was basically the primary caregiver for a ton of people, and had to live in her fucking car. Housing in this country is fucked pretty much every way it can be, as are wages.
wtf, why is this a graphical image instead of actual text? It’s like saying fuck the blind users and fuck those who are on measured rate internet connections. Lemmy is broken. Curl -LI falsely gives a content length of zero, so we must decide whether to download an image without knowing its size. Really fucking sucks when it’s a graphic of just text.
