Hehe

As to other reply: what times has vote with your wallet truly worked?

Already answered this several times, including the comment you just replied to.

People educating themselves doesn’t happen, is the point.

Yes, that is indeed the point.

This pipe dream that an overwhelming majority of consumers will suddenly become extremely conscious and educated is, at best, misguided.

That doesn’t make anything I said untrue.

others that are seeing increasing success, like China, are demonized continually even though they are quickly outranking the USA in almost every major quality of life metric

You think China, of all places, is making consumer-focused and ethical products?

China sees increasing success because they have no minimum wage and no concept of IP. So the world outsourced vast swathes of production infrastructure there only to have all their IP stolen and reproduced without any of the R&D costs. Then the government sudsidizes it to hell even further so that they can apply the Amazon model of enshittification to the global economy.

so in your case, if it applies to your argument, it’s possible and works “every time ever”, and if it goes against your argument, it doesn’t exist and no one is boycotting.

Yes, because it’s not logically possible. Once again, if people stop buying them, they can’t sell them. And they’ll be forced to make something else that people will want to buy.

I didn’t say “no one”, but it doesn’t have to be everyone either. There has to be more than a few people such that if affects their bottom line.

You are not arguing in good faith, and only want to be right in this instance.

I could say the same about you.

I’m sure you’ve never bought a display

I’ve bought lots of things with HDMI that also have Display Ports.

How does a subscription compare to TV purchases?

How does it not? It’s a withheld purchase (AKA “voting with your wallet”)

How does that one instance of politically driven consumer action equate to “every time ever”?

It doesn’t and wasn’t supposed to. The last part did.

Have you heard of Nestlé? People have boycott them forever and they still exist.

They obviously don’t or they wouldn’t exist.

Every time ever? How about Disney getting mass subscription cancellations after canning Kimmy Kimmel?

They can’t sell shit that people don’t buy.

we individually have no power

Individually, no. Collectively? Yes.

What am I supposed to do?

Don’t buy a TV? They are increasingly shitty products anyway.

Quit posting corporate propaganda. The government can regulate all they want. Businesses are malicious and just exploit loopholes everywhere and pay off the politicians. Taking away their motivation is not something they can get around.

Yes, that’s what I said.

It’s not the only way to affect change. It is the only way to make businesses respect their customers. What is your point?

See how well that has worked over the past 40 years?

…extremely well? Can you provide an example of the contrary?

don’t expect a personal boycott or even advocating heavily for others to the same to have any kind of impact whatsoever.

…of course a single person boycotting a product does nothing. People educating themselves about the products they buy and making conscious decisions to buy consumer-friendly products when buying shit (especially expensive shit) does.

They just want to go on amazon or to home depot or whatever and buy shit that looks like it will do what they need for a price point they can afford.

Plenty of people know and just don’t care. I know because I have these types of conversations all the time.

That’s where regulatory oversight comes in

See how well that has worked over the past 2000 years?

You wouldn’t have to. Even a small fraction would create a market vacuum for a competitor.

…wat

the whole “vote with your wallet” thing is stupid anyway

Voting with your wallet is literally the only way things will ever improve.

No one is saying it’s great. But that’s the point. You have to choose between convenience and getting fucked. And overwhelmingly people will choose the former. And that’s what they’re counting on.

Choose the latter and those stupid fucking companies are forced to bend to your will and then you can buy whatever fuckin TV you want.

They’re not lining up to take it though

They are though.

It’s all they’re given

Then they can choose not to buy anything, or to buy a computer monitor.

it won’t make a lick of difference in the market.

This is the defeatist mentality that keeps them so successful.

I’m not sure what that has to do with what I said. This is about corporations asking consumers to bend over and get fucked, and consumers as a whole repeatedly lining up to take it.

We don’t flock to it, they are forced upon us. Finding TVs that support DP is almost impossible.

Nothing is forced on anyone. If people refused to buy them they would be forced to add other ports.

However as someone who considers themselves fairly techy and doesn’t comply with such shitfuckery, I only learned about this last week.

Moving forward I just won’t be buying any TVs at all.

Too bad he’s an engineer and not a lawyer.

…which is different from the Stream Frame.

Hasn’t stopped them thus far