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So here’s how I imagine the scenario going down. Let’s say the Death Star and a Borg Cube meet in high orbit over Abydos. Both vessels are alone and unaided by their respective nations, carrying their full typical complement of personnel, weapons, ammunition, technology etc. Both are informed “There is a large enemy ship approaching” and given no other details.
THE BORG CUBE
A Borg cube dwarfs a Galaxy-class starship, perhaps a couple kilometers to a side. Borg Cubes are equipped with fairly typical Star Trek phaser arrays that punch about at their weight class, a single Borg cube is more massive than and more than a match for a Federation battle fleet. The Cube contains many thousands of drones that are individually capable of assimilating non-Borg people, which is typically their main goal. Borg cubes tend not to be equipped with weapons of mass destruction, nor do they carry anything resembling fighters or interceptors. Borg cubes are equipped with Trans-warp drive and are able to travel many thousands of times faster than the speed of light. They are also equipped with transporter technology which is entirely unfamiliar in the Star Wars universe. Deflector shields in the Star Trek universe seem to be more capable of outright stopping damage, though they can be overwhelmed, causing them to fail. The Borg are able to quickly measure the nature of any attacking weapon and adapt their shields to be impervious to that weapon after a few attacks.
THE DEATH STAR
A space station of truly astronomical size, the Death Star is mistakable for a dwarf planet or moon, though it is much less massive being mostly hollow. The Death Star is staffed by squadrons of TIE fighters and an army of storm troopers equipped with blaster rifles. The Death Star’s surface is studded with point defense lasers, and much of the upper hemisphere is occupied by the crater-like dish of the main turbolaser, which is capable of blasting an Earth-like planet to boulder-sized chunks in a matter of seconds. The Death Star is a weapon of mass destruction/ultimate terror. Personal teleportation is unknown in the Star Wars universe and the Death Star is not designed to defend against them. Deflector shields exist in the Star Wars universe though they seem less important or effective. The Death Star is equipped with hyperdrive allowing it to travel at some speed faster than light; the original Death Star flew from the Alderaan system to the Yavin system under its own power. Both Death Stars are depicted as fairly easily destroyed by weapons carried by fairly small craft, damaging the central power system will cause it to explode with enough force to blast the entire space station to smithereens.
THE BATTLE
The Borg could win this fight by warping in very close with their vastly superior speed and immediately transporting many hundreds of drones aboard to assimilate the confused and unprepared crew, especially if targeting the upper command staff. The storm troopers may have early success fending off the invaders, until their weapons suddenly stop being effective.
They could, but probably wouldn’t. The Borg tend to prefer to hang back and taunt their opponents over the radio for a minute “We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. We will add your uniqueness and distinction to our own.” etc. Their whole opening monologue is enough time to prepare and fire the Death Star’s turbolaser, which would effortlessly obliterate the Cube and the moon behind it.
The final winning move here would be to jump to hyperdrive as soon as possible to avoid any issues with individual drones that may have survived who might make it to the Death star and start a First Contact “they’ve assimilated deck ten” scenario, which I honestly don’t see the Empire winning without destroying the Death Star. The Empire isn’t as good at treknobabble as the Federation, so Grand Moff Tarkin isn’t going to confuse the Borg to death with a paradoxical equation or whatever.
If a Sith is present, he will probably hold his own with a light saber until the Borg adapt, and then make his way to a waiting escape ship using Force powers to throw drones out of the way.
POST SCENARIO
Should the Death Star make a clean escape, a follow-up encounter with another Borg cube would likely not go as well. They wouldn’t have had a chance to witness the Borg’s adaptation ability or indeed learn much about them. They probably destroyed the first cube with a less than full power shot, and trying that again might not work this time. It is my understanding that the turbolaser requires time to recharge between shots, and this may be enough time for the second cube to move in and begin their attack/assimilation. The Death Star is many orders of magnitude slower than a Borg cube and unable to escape.
The Death Star has no hope against two Borg cubes; it may destroy one while the other successfully closes to deploy drones.
A Borg cube is much smaller than the Death Star, and seeing the Death Star survived a collision with a super star destroyer, I imagine a direct collision with a Borg Cube would only admit entry by surviving drones.
A Goa’uld pyramid ship is by far outclassed by both vessels. SG-1 would take down the Borg cube with three men, one woman, four P90s and a kilogram of naquadria, though Daniel Jackson would die at least twice. There’d be a really uncomfortable body horror scene where a goa’uld symbiote and Borg nanotechnology fight for control of a Jaffa.
When can I get a ticket for this?
There are too many executives and shareholders still alive for this to ever be made.
Hmm, good point.
It’s not that I want to kill the executives and shareholders… I just don’t want them to be alive, anymore.
I want them to be the kind of financially ruined where they’re forced to walk around on the street wearing nothing but a barrel held up by a pair of suspenders. Like go full on cartoon here.
Damn! I don’t want to get on your bad side.
The only thing is, in a 1 on 1 scenario, the dearth star could shoot the cube and it wouldn’t have time to analyse or send back data to be analysed for the next Borg cube to become immune to the Death Star shot. If there are 2 cubes, we can also assume there can be 2 death stars, and coordinated shots would achieve the same result. But if the Borg cubes are more than the death stars, or if the shots have a bit of a delay between each Death Star, the data could be analysed and transmitted back for other Borg. If a sith was involved, he could use the force and I don’t think the Borg can find a way to become immune to the force. And then the sith can destroy any number of cubes or drones or mother borgs or whatever. A sith might not do that though, which might be their downfall, as they might want to control the Borg and create a great army instead which could lead to enough possibilities for the Borg to win.
Here’s the thing though: We’re talking two villains here. Who would win between two villains. I guess I’m old and cynical enough to where the more interesting question to me is “what are the writers going to do in this scenario?”
You’re absolutely right, my take is that they’ll make the sith and mother borg would somehow put their battle aside for now and team up to eventually lose in a sequel movie/show against the jedi + federation combo
Naw, SG-1 blows both of them up with stuff they carry in on foot.
And here comes Carter with the
folding chairexploding sun!
If not Mackay can always blow up t̶h̶̶r̶̶e̶̶e̶̶ ̶̶q̶̶u̶̶a̶̶r̶̶t̶̶e̶̶r̶̶s̶̶ ̶ three fifths of the solar system.
You know it’s all the same people in all three groups, right? (/s)
I don’t know what the /s is there for. In my experience, if you like Star Wars, you also like Star Trek. Just a matter of degrees of preference. With few exceptions, like the “God hates Jedi” guy, the rivalry is made up.
Stargate people are cool, too.
Maybe I’m showing my age, but I remember a time when star trek vs star wars was a pretty heated debate and some people legitimately hate the other for not being the right “Star-” franchise.
We all know the correct answer (outside of -gate) is [Battle]Star Galactica.
What about the heat buildup of absorbing or even just deflecting the Death Star? That weapon destroys an entire planet. Whatever the Borg Cube uses, it would build up absurd amounts of heat going against the Death Star.
Tangentially related: I love the concept of a ship or space superweapon that uses excess heat itself as an additional means of attack.
Something a ton of sci-fi ignores is that heat can’t dissapate in a vacuum the same way it does planetside. If you have to put it somewhere, and if we assume you’ve re-captured/reused as much as is reasonable… then you could fire/railgun superheated stuff at the enemy. Literally make your excess heat someone else’s problem. Either hardened solid slugs to penetrate with the heat assistance, or materials engineered to “splash” and glom on on impact like ship sized space napalm.
Battletech has flamers, which are basically like if you took one of those WWII flamethrower tanks and powered it with nuclear fusion instead of napalm. The lack of a WarShip-class flamer for space combat seems like an oversight, though…
Everyone’s all like “but the Death Star destroys planets”. Yeah, but they’d have to hit the Borg cube - significantly smaller and way more maneuverable. In the end, it comes down to how easy Empire tech is to assimilate. If it comes to a fire fight, we all know storm troopers can’t target for shit.
The Borg’s better play would be a couple of spheres. Too small to be hit by the Death Star’s main weapon, and should be able to tank any fighters sent after them. Probably the surface turbo lasers, as well.
The Borg only need to get within transporter range. Once they have a few drones on board and start assimilating at an exponential rate, it’s over.
Yes. How long until the Borg are firing turbo lasers? Then, it’s definitely over. Unless the Empire has some kind of resistance to assimilation like those insect things from Voyager that were wrecking the Borg.
1500 M is big enough to hit with the main weapon. Mon Calamari Cruisers are only 1200 M in length and the DS 2 blows up two of those and a medical frigate which is even smaller, in the battle of Endor
Also while the design team on First Contact made that sphere 1500 M in diameter, they are listed in the tech manuals as being 3000 M in size.
End of Return of the Jedi. They take several rebel ships out that are significantly smaller than a Borg cube. Hitting them isn’t an issue, and they can hit the cube outside of transporter range while the Borg are still yammering about adding their technology to the collective.
Also at the end of Return of the Jedi a clan of stone age forest marsupials defeats the Empire’s ground army.
Which is completely irrelevant since we aren’t dealing with ground armies, stone age marsupials, or trying to capture anyone like the imperial troops were trying to do with the people at the generator.
The borg get beaten by good vibes in an episode of star trek. Wait no, Sorry. “individuality from memories of a borg’s time separated from the collective where he learned the power of friendship” that’s much less ridiculous than space wizards fighting space Hitler and accepting help from the natives.
You know, if you poorly break it down, you could probably make a good drinking game out of it. "describe the episode/scene poorly and guess if it’s star trek, star wars, or star gate, and if you’re wrong or someone else gets it right first, drink.
Replicators would take out both, even if Borg Cube and Death Star joined forces.
Han Solo should still have The Sun Crusher stashed away somewhere. How would they fare against a Starfighter that can blow up stars and their solar systems?
Pretty sure Kyp flew it into a black hole before cramming himself into a probe and abandoning ship. Pretty sure even quantum armor isn’t going to hold up to that.
