President Joe Biden condemned by the move by the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants against Israeli leaders, saying that there was “no equivalence” between that country’s actions and those of Hamas. Earlier today, the ICC issued a legal report in which a panel of international law experts supported a prosecutor’s conclusion that there […]
  • czech@lemm.eeEnglish
    26·
    2 个月前

    You might want to make up definitions for genocide but in 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.

    • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
      421·
      1 个月前

      Then technically, ALL wars are genocide.

      EDIT: so many downvotes, so little arguments against it. Predictable as it gets.

      • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
        163·
        2 个月前

        The key feature is the first part about “intent to destroy.” Russia isn’t trying to destroy the concept of Ukraine, either as an ethnicity or a country (they just want it to be a puppet-state obedient to their dictates). The US wasn’t trying to destroy the concept of Vietnam or Vietnamese people.

        Other people could draw different conclusions I guess, but to me it’s undeniable that Israel’s goal is to steadily destroy the whole concept of Palestine, with maybe some isolated individuals of Palestinian ethnicity still surviving in some location inside or outside Israel, but with Palestine itself completely erased.

        • jaybone@lemmy.world
          52·
          2 个月前

          They are forcefully removing children and telling them they are Russian. Which is exactly part of the quoted definition from the comment you are replying to.

          • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
            1·
            1 个月前

            Yeah, fair enough; maybe I picked a wrong example for one of my examples. I think most of the time, it’s not that way though. Not that I’m saying that makes war good or anything.

        • MxM111@kbin.social
          87·
          2 个月前

          Actually, Putin does want to destroy the concept of Ukraine and he said it is not a real country.

        • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
          1·
          1 个月前

          Putin absolutely wants to destroy Ukraine. The definition above defines all wars that have ever happened.

    • MxM111@kbin.social
      223·
      2 个月前

      Yes the intent matters. Israel intent is to destroy Hamas. That’s not genocide.

      • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
        8·
        2 个月前

        The precursors to genocide are actively unfolding before our eyes. On 10 October, the head of the Israeli army’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), Maj. Gen. Ghassan Alian, addressed a message directly to Gaza residents: “Human animals must be treated as such. There will be no electricity and no water, there will only be destruction. You wanted hell, you will get hell”. The same day, Israeli army spokesperson Daniel Hagari acknowledged the wanton and intentionally destructive nature of Israel’s bombing campaign in Gaza: “The emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy.” Raz Segal, the program director of genocide studies at Stockton University, concretely says it is a “textbook case of genocide.”

      • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
        8·
        2 个月前

        It is when they consider every Palestinian to be hamas (and anyone who they don’t like on a particular day)

        • MxM111@kbin.social
          110·
          2 个月前

          And her we come back to civilian vs militants kill ratio, which is much lower than average numbers for urban warfare. You statement is just not supported by statistics.

      • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        1 个月前

        Intent does not matter when the direct results of premeditated actions slaughter children and innocent civilians. These aren’t mistakes, they are literally being explained by Israel as the war rages on as collateral damage.

        If this is acceptable on the world stage, then the only people “winning” in the near future will be government officials and very high ranking military personnel. What’s the point of peace when it comes at such a cost?

        The amount of aid alone that Israel continues to block, and even destroy, is absolutely sickening.