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All fines should be income dependent. Especially for all flavours of corporation, in which case there should be no upper limit. If the corp goes bankrupt because they broke the law hard enough it should either go out of business or become a public entity if it’s vital.
In Berlin a driver went 73 in a 30 zone, passed a truck on the right using a bus lane, and murdered a cyclist.
Three years later, he still walks free and it looks like he always will.
Noted: if you want to murder someone, use a car.
In Germany
anywhere
Not true. In America it’s easier to use a police uniform.
But everybody’s already got a car, so that’s easy. To use a police uniform, you’ve got to fail an IQ test first.
For reference for those using freedom units that’s roughly 60 mph in a 20 mph zone
Bonus. In eagle burger land that will either land you:
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$200 fine and 2 points on your license (varies on state)
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shot in the face (dwb and reaching for a
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nothing (hello fellow patrolman, have a great day killing pet dogs)
Source: I’m a red-blooded freedom loving eagle burger citizen
While true, it’s always the insurance and fees that get you. This is why I don’t understand states that post their speeding fines: they’re low enough to not stop anyone, but also don’t give the true cost
Here in Massachusetts
Your first speeding ticket … lose your Excellent Driver Plus Discount and see your premiums rise and stay higher for six years!
Plus that kind of excessive speed will almost certainly also get you reckless driving
For surcharge purposes, reckless driving is treated the same as DUI [or a major at-fault accident]. This could result in a huge insurance premium increase.
People regularly do that speed in my neighborhood that has a 25mph limit. The only time I see cops around is when they’re looking for the tweaker down the street so they can arrest him for whatever shit he stole this week, have him rat out other tweakers, and immediately release him to do the same thing again later.
Catch and release is vital for a healthy ecosystem. It allows for sport catching without impacting breeding programs. Done correctly, a sportsman can take progressive trophy photos throughout the quarry’s life
Freedom units? You mean the ones used by your British masters?
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Denmark will also confiscate and scrap or resell your car if you go a certain percentage over the limit. 100 in a 30 zone would be enough.
You don’t have to be a citizen or the owner of the car; if the car is found speeding, that car is getting taken.
It was a huge thing a few years ago when it was implemented because we caught a few lambos joy riding from Germany up through Jutland
So I can steal a car from someone I don’t like, speed in front of a camera, and their car will be destroyed?
Not a problem. In that case you’d also have theft charges and would be liable for the car’s value in civil court (or whatever the Danish equivalent is).
And not even enough. As a society we’re condoning too much when it’s about cars.
Going 100 in a 30 should be charged as “attempted massacre” if stopped. Because it’s not an “accident” anymore when you go that fast.
And driving that fast in a residential area without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, should be an aggravating circumstance and not the opposite.
I wonder what the finnish Mayday psychosis guy got for driving and crashing his Mercedes at like 180 km/h through a narrow and extremely busy street (30 or 40 km/h zone) got. He didn’t hurt anyone IIRC but he also could have killed like 20 people. I’ll edit this comment when find the video and the verdict.
edit1: the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpNI2BQYrE&pp=ygUSdmFwcHUgbWVyc3Uga29sYXJp
edit2: ok he “only” drove at 100km/h and injured 2 people. He was accused of 11 cases of attempted manslaughter among other things. All charges dropped.
Apparently he had just proposed to his bride, she said yes, it was the happiest day of his life and he completely snapped. No drugs or alcohol involved.
im all for it except for literally scrapping a perfectly good vehicle
they must know crushing and manufacturing a whole entire new car to replace it is costly as fuck to the environment and our pockets? putting it in the hands of someone who might need it is literally free.
Sends a great fucking message though.
i dont care about messages in this context, if we crush cars without an alternative we will just force people to indebt themselves with new cars, and that just makes the problem worse. early obsolescence is not the answer.
The context is going 70kph over the speed limit, or 233% over the limit.
Not sure about Germany and Switzerland, but here 30kph zones are used for school corridors and pedestrian areas.
Some fuckwit driving 100 kph in one of these is tantamount to attempted manslaughter.
Someone doing this shouldn’t need to worry about a new car, because they shouldn’t even be able to buy a new car before rehabilitation.
Germany knows whats up.
Don’t like the loud kid next door? Run it over with your car. Your wife left you? Kill a bunch of pedestrians to blow off steam. You are below 18 years old and don’t have a car? Fuck off, your age is a YOU-problem.
After we build that one more lane we will be even greater than the USA.
Germany sometimes seems like the America of Europe.
As a finn that had to deal with a week long Erasmus university intense course with mostly german masters students… Yeah, americans of the Europe was the exact impression I got. Everyone else from all the other participant nationalities were respectful and professional, but the german students just couldnt.
Gods, I fucking hated to see the eyes of shame in the german professors faces watching their students go through their shenannigans and fits. My previous stereotype of germans as a nationality or as a culture being rational and collected died very quickly during that week.
Sorry for any germans reading this, but I consider you as the Americans of the EU after that experience.
Even as a car owner, I have no problems accepting Swiss-level regulations for this kind of criminal behavior.
Only 2 years suspension is a slap on the wrist for what is essentially an attempt at stochastic murder. We need to stop treating driving licenses as a universal right and stop clearly unfit people from sitting behind the wheel.
i’m of the opinion that we should have a 2 strike system, first strike means you have to re-do your license from the ground up including any costs and undergo psychological evaluation to see if it’s safe to give you a second chance, and second strike means you simply do not get to drive again, tough shit.
A suspended license should however come with a free public transport ticket such that you can get around reasonably, add the cost needed to finance that to the price of getting a license in the first place if that’s what it takes.
Going 100 in a 30 zone means you don’t care about killing a child if one happens to step out on the street.
Boggles my mind how you’re able to ever legally drive again after that.That will kill adult too
Not familiar with how EU countries decide what speeds to put where, but if they are anything like the US, they might be referring to the fact that 30 KPH is basically what a school zone would have posted, but yeah speed limits exist for your safety and the safety of others, if it’s 30KPH, there’s probably a reason.
In the UK it was originally based on something like the 85th percentile: the speed most drivers would normally pick for the road given no imposed limit.
These days it’s more based around what politicians live where, so we have dual carriageways with central reservations, which would normally be 70mph, but because some fancy nob has a house there and doesn’t like noise, it’s got to be 40mph. They don’t say that though, they say it’s down to too many accidents in the area, or speed reduction for air quality or some other nonsense (if it was for air quality then the limit’d be 60mph due to the designed-in peak efficiency at 55mph).
True, but it’s more emotive to talk about killing kids.
5mph is enough to flatten an unwary rat but nobody’s putting speed limits out that are that low.
How about 5 kmph?
Where I live (Australia) it’s $962 (€586) and a 12 month licence suspension. $2,212 if you do it in a truck.
What’s interesting is that if you turn your head to look at a phone in your passenger’s hand while stationary at a red light, it’s a $545 fine and 4 points off your 12-point licence.
based shitting on trucks
Honestly can’t get enough of that, I am so tired of people driving around vehicles optimized for murdering children for no reason.
Oh, their definition of “truck” is 4500kg+ and operated on a heavy vehicle licence.
We call those comically large security blankets on wheels “utes” these days. They’re getting out of hand in Australia. For every car I see under 1000kg, I would see 100 cars that weigh over 2000kg.
Update: I checked last month’s sales stats in Australia. 105,023 vehicles sold, 306 of which weigh under 1000kg. That’s 0.3%.
It is disgusting because people want trucks with super high hoods because they look like cowboy belt buckles and it’s masculine… but the reason cars haven’t been built to look like that in the past is because it is a pathologically murderous way to design a vehicle that will inevitably get in accidents with other cars and pedestrians at some point. I can’t walk around wielding a giant machete in broad daylight and have people treat me like that is acceptable behavior, why do we treat driving around a vehicle optimized to hurt other people in accidents as acceptable behavior? Especially when the reason is “idk, it looks cool, especially once I lift it”.
I think the design of pickups really pretty precisely tracks the retreat of conservatism from pretending to honor basic social contracts in favor of outright embracing violence against The Other whoever that might be defined as. Giant pickups are just a physical manifestation of marketing department’s best guess at what the interior psyche of conservative masculinity desires, and that desire has clearly gravitated more and more towards embracing violence and lack of caring for the consequences of ones actions on others and that is a scary thought.
Austria passed a law recently to confiscate and auction off your vehicle in cases like this.
The problem is most cars are given back after being impounded for a bit, because you have to really speed for confiscation to stick. 80km/h over in the city (50km/h limit… so 130km/h in the city…) and 90km/h on the Autobahn (130km/h limit) or Country roads (100km/h limit) so it’s fairly toothless.
In the eyes of the law, ownership is one of the most fundamental and strongest rights, i’m surprised they managed to pull this off in general without it being unconstitutional
