Listening to a recent episode of the Solarpunk Presents podcast reminded me the importance of consistently calling out cryptocurrency as a wasteful scam. The podcast hosts fail to do that, and because bad actors will continue to try to push crypto, we must condemn it with equal persistence.

Solarpunks must be skeptical of anyone saying it’s important to buy something, like a Tesla, or buy in, with cryptocurrency. Capitalists want nothing more than to co-opt radical movements, neutralizing them, to sell products.

People shilling crypto will tell you it decentralizes power. So that’s a lie, but solarpunks who believe it may be fooled into investing in this Ponzi scheme that burns more energy than some countries. Crypto will centralize power in billionaires, increasing their wealth and decreasing their accountability. That’s why Space Karen Elon Musk pushes crypto. The freer the market, the faster it devolves to monopoly. Rather than decentralizing anything, crypto would steer us toward a Bladerunner dystopia with its all-powerful Tyrell corporation.

Promoting crypto on a solarpunk podcast would be unforgivable. That’s not quite what happens on S5E1 “Let’s Talk Tech.” The hosts seem to understand crypto has no part in a solarpunk future or its prefigurative present. But they don’t come out and say that, adopting a tone of impartiality. At best, I would call this disingenuous. And it reeks of the both-sides-ism that corporate media used to paralyze climate action discourse for decades.

Crypto is not “appropriate tech,” and discussing it without any clarity is inappropriate.

Update for episode 5.3: In a case of hyper hypocrisy, they caution against accepting superficial solutions—things that appear utopian but really reinforce inequality and accelerate the climate crisis—while doing exactly that by talking up cryptocurrency.

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    3 months ago

    Yeah I don’t get why solar punks hate on crypto? Do they like the wastefulness of fiat? Do they understand how much non renewables are used to process a single credit card payment? Or do they have a better form of money?

    Crypto could be solar punk, just requires people to use… Solar power… Or am I missing something?

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      For me, it’s because crypto is manufactured scarcity. That’s the whole way crypto creates “value”. For me solar punk is about not putting artificial limits on things to create scarcity.

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        This is a big part of it, yeah. One of the least well understood aspects of crypto is the fact that - by design - it is inherently deflationary, and a deflationary currency is one that is designed to reward the wealthy. Basically, a deflationary currency is one where the value of your existing assets increases over time; the more assets you hold, the more you get. Since the wealthy can afford to hoard more of their income, they gain a greater benefit from this. People who live paycheck to paycheck get nothing, because they’re forced to spend what they make as soon as they make it.

        Basically, crypto was designed to give the greatest benefit to the wealthiest members of our society. That is the least “punk” thing imaginable.

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      A single credit card payment takes a tiny fraction of the energy it takes to process a single crypto transaction.

      You didn’t read the post at all. Crypto doesn’t work to achieve anything desirable with solar punk, it’s just a waste of resources meant to grift the next bag holder in the line.

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      It’s not just about power.

      First off, solar power still comes at a cost to the planet. It’s not an infinite energy hack. You have to build solar panels, which involves a lot of labour and resource extraction. That should be going to things that will make the world a better place for everyone. Is a really inefficient database really the best use for those resources?

      Second, that’s not the only physical resource involved. Modern crypto mining is done on ASICs, single purpose chips designed for only running crypto mining apps. These chips burn out after about two years of continual use, and they cannot be recycled or repurposed; they can only be used for crypto mining. That means that crypto, as a whole, generates an absolutely staggering amount of ewaste. This is a business that demands infinite growth, because the difficulty of the chain scales with the amount of compute power applied to it, so the miners are all locked in an endless arms race, and that infinite growth comes at the cost of infinite resource extraction.

      That’s exactly the kind of thing we have to get away from if we want a green future. We cannot keep building infinite growth engines and expect to have a livable planet.