On April 15th, people from over 30 cities around the world will launch a global economic blockade answering the call from Gaza to fight for a liberated Palestine. 75 years and 182 days into this U...
Where did I paint Israel as the victim? They are obviously responsible for mass destruction and reckless killing of thousands of people. What I say is that you don’t get the complexity of the conflict, that you just focus on one side of it and that calling for the destruction for the Israeli state is very problematic. There seem to be so many people that try to ignore either side of the conflict. “Oh, the Palestinians are all Hamas and we are just defending us” vs “Oh, the Israelis are all genocidal colonialists and we have to destroy them”. Neither of both is true and we would benefit from trying to move away from a Palestine vs Israel narrative and try to rather organize against the Israeli government as well as Hamas.
Well, it is really obvious what you don’t get. I’m an anarchist, why wouldn’t I be in this community. Are you trying to push a normative standard on me and say that only people with the same opinion as you can be in this space? Just because I criticize some specific actions that imo are counterproductive doesn’t mean I’m not an anarchist. That’s just political discourse.
your discourse is patronizing and disrespectful to me and my ability to understand what’s going on. you are hijacking a discussion about how to stop a colonialist genocide to wring your hands about oppressed people possibly winning and treating their occupiers like they’ve been treated.
I don’t believe you’re an anarchist because you are derailing a solidarity action and accusing anarchists of being antisemitic.
If you want to talk politics, you’re gonna have to accept the fact that people will have different opions. This isn’t hexbear where everyone with a different view is instabanned. I get that emotions are running high over the situation in Gaza, but try to respond in good faith instead of leaping to the most uncharitable interpretation possible.
if these same opinions were being voiced in c/politics or c/news, my pushback would be decidedly different. this is an anarchist community, and frankly i don’t believe the other user’s operating in good faith. just saying “i’m an anarchist” is a pretty thin shield for accusing principled organizers of antisemitism and derailing discussion about a global coordinated resistance movement.
i think it’s super cool that an admin is weighing in (since i think that means my reports are being read), but maybe we could get an anarchist to actually do some of the moderation here.
“Antisemitic genocide enablers”? What genocide are we talking about now? I think you might be so locked in in this us vs them mentality that you don’t hear what I say but try to forcibly put it in the “them” category.
Well, you cannot deny that there are many antisemites that would want to kill all the Jews. Especially within Hamas. And if people use the same rhetoric (“from the river to the sea”), why wouldn’t I warn against this antisemitic rhetoric? I don’t see how I am “parroting” Israeli propaganda though.
no, we’re not. it’s just you, and it’s disgusting.
Well, seems very obvious now that you don’t want to see this conflict as more than black and white.
seems obvious you want to paint Israel as a victim and intentionally misunderstand what you’re being told.
Where did I paint Israel as the victim? They are obviously responsible for mass destruction and reckless killing of thousands of people. What I say is that you don’t get the complexity of the conflict, that you just focus on one side of it and that calling for the destruction for the Israeli state is very problematic. There seem to be so many people that try to ignore either side of the conflict. “Oh, the Palestinians are all Hamas and we are just defending us” vs “Oh, the Israelis are all genocidal colonialists and we have to destroy them”. Neither of both is true and we would benefit from trying to move away from a Palestine vs Israel narrative and try to rather organize against the Israeli government as well as Hamas.
you don’t know what I “get”
how did you find this community?!
Well, it is really obvious what you don’t get. I’m an anarchist, why wouldn’t I be in this community. Are you trying to push a normative standard on me and say that only people with the same opinion as you can be in this space? Just because I criticize some specific actions that imo are counterproductive doesn’t mean I’m not an anarchist. That’s just political discourse.
your discourse is patronizing and disrespectful to me and my ability to understand what’s going on. you are hijacking a discussion about how to stop a colonialist genocide to wring your hands about oppressed people possibly winning and treating their occupiers like they’ve been treated.
I don’t believe you’re an anarchist because you are derailing a solidarity action and accusing anarchists of being antisemitic.
If you want to talk politics, you’re gonna have to accept the fact that people will have different opions. This isn’t hexbear where everyone with a different view is instabanned. I get that emotions are running high over the situation in Gaza, but try to respond in good faith instead of leaping to the most uncharitable interpretation possible.
if these same opinions were being voiced in c/politics or c/news, my pushback would be decidedly different. this is an anarchist community, and frankly i don’t believe the other user’s operating in good faith. just saying “i’m an anarchist” is a pretty thin shield for accusing principled organizers of antisemitism and derailing discussion about a global coordinated resistance movement.
i think it’s super cool that an admin is weighing in (since i think that means my reports are being read), but maybe we could get an anarchist to actually do some of the moderation here.
when you parroted the propaganda that these anarchists are anitsemitic genocide enablers
“Antisemitic genocide enablers”? What genocide are we talking about now? I think you might be so locked in in this us vs them mentality that you don’t hear what I say but try to forcibly put it in the “them” category.
you accused them of wanting to kill all the Jews. you’re backpedaling now.
Well, you cannot deny that there are many antisemites that would want to kill all the Jews. Especially within Hamas. And if people use the same rhetoric (“from the river to the sea”), why wouldn’t I warn against this antisemitic rhetoric? I don’t see how I am “parroting” Israeli propaganda though.
claiming boycott is antisemitic and clamiing “from the river to the sea” is antisemitic are both israeli propaganda, and you’re parroting it.
it’s not antisemitic