• TipRing@lemmy.world
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      18 days ago

      Politicians famously consider the opinions of people who don’t vote. /s

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        17 days ago

        Maybe they ought to? There’s quite a lot of potential votes out there. Also want to add that I always vote, and politicians never consider my opinion anyway.

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          17 days ago

          Reliable demographics or voting blocks get preferential treatment over fair-weather voters. If you want to know why even the GOP won’t overtly kill social security or medicare (unless they include a way to keep current recipients on benefits), it’s because old people vote very reliably. Though with the modern day cultists this isn’t as true anymore since MAGAs will happily let the GOP take everything from them if they think it will hurt their perceived political enemies.

          This is just useful expenditure of political capital. As a politician you want to stick your neck out for groups that are definitely showing up.

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            17 days ago

            Seems like a good way to ensure you have low turnout elections, with only die-hard party-heads participating. That way, elections are won or lost on how jazzed up you can get your base, and you never have to attract anyone new. That sounds bad enough, but I think who the politicians actually listen to are their donors. Anytime there is a conflict between what the donors want, and what the constituency wants… voters can get fucked.

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              16 days ago

              Believe it or not, there are people in the center that switch votes. That’s who they go after.

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                  16 days ago

                  It’s not die hards as you put it. They are swing voters. Every one counts double because you get a vote and take one away from the other party. Elections are won from the centre.

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                    16 days ago

                    Sure, but I’m saying that in addition to the ‘swing’ voters, there is a huuuge pool of people that never or rarely vote. These are potential voters, many of whom could be energized by the right policies.

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        17 days ago

        I mean they do, insofar as it might be easier to convert someone not voting into someone voting for them than it is to convert someone voting for their opponent.

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        17 days ago

        That’s why you vote uncommitted. There’s no way to ignore that message or use any of their usual excuses.

        But the Democrats understand what they need to do in order to win election, they’re just so latched to the corporate tit that they won’t do it. Think they can get a few more gulps of that sweet lobby money before things get “serious”. The pigs are too busy feeding to give a fuck about our democracy collapsing.

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      17 days ago

      Protest voting would be aimed at reforming a democratic party that’s unfit to confront fascism. It’s a legitimate strategy whether you agree with it or not.

      Another Biden term will not do anything to mitigate Democratic complicity with fascism. Establishment dems are quite literally worse than useless.

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        16 days ago

        Except it doesn’t reform. You win elections from the center, so if Dems lose they go further to the center. Because those are the voters that exist.

        No-voting accomplishes literally nothing. It never has and it never will. In reality, it’s counter productive every time.