You can call it whatever you like but it won’t make what I’m saying any less true. Getting vaccinated is intentionally easy to do. Laws prohibit doctors and any organization with access from sharing medical records. A shitty spouse has less control over this choice than the vast majority of choices in your life.
I’m sending the message to anyone reading this that it is possible to get vaccinated even if there are people in your life who don’t want you to do that. What are you doing besides telling people it’s important to get vaccinated unless it’s a bit more difficult than it should be? Who does that help? Everyone already knows that abusive spouses are dicks. That fact doesn’t need any more attention.
It’s not a universal truth that you can just choose to get a vaccination without making an appointment or needing to involve insurance etc.
In a hypothetical extreme scenario, imagine having to weigh the risks between getting the vaccine that will potentially save your life and unexpectedly getting an appointment reminder text/email or follow-up contact that alerts the controlling partner and they potentially end your life for the “transgression.”
The vaccine being “cheap” is also not universal and if you aren’t allowed personal discretionary spending anything >$0 isn’t cheap enough.
Yes, you’ve successfully summarized the situation this woman may have faced. She chose to let the fear of her spouse make her decision for her. Did she make the right decision? I don’t think so. She’s still dead. At least if she was murdered for choosing to get vaccinated it could be said that she did everything she could to keep herself alive. Maybe that’s a meaningless distinction and maybe it isn’t. I think that comes down to the way you view personal responsibility. Still, whether coerced or not her decision lead to her death and that’s worth pointing out no matter how unfortunate you find the circumstances that lead up to it.
You are of course free to disagree with that assessment but I am firmly of the belief that getting vaccinated is always better than not getting vaccinated unless you have a valid medical reason to avoid vaccination.
This is pretty yikes man. I hope that you’re still like in high school or something and have time to grow a little because the thought of someone having as little compassion or understanding as yourself is concerning.
Making excuses for the unvaccinated is no different than promoting antivax misinformation. Dressing it up as empathy to make it more palatable to your political leanings doesn’t change anything meaningful about what you’re saying. Unless a (non-crackpot) doctor tells you not to get vaccinated you should be vaccinated. Full stop. There is no amount of social pressure that you should allow to make medical decisions for you.
That’s the kind of vague, self righteous platitude people give when they don’t have an actual response. Assuming you’re not some antivax dipshit I guarantee you’ve said something exactly like the final sentence of my last post in the previous four years. Yet here you are saying it’s fine for people to not get vaccinated as long as they have someone else to blame that choice on. Sure, you’re not framing it exactly that way but of course you wouldn’t, that would be stupid and you’re not stupid, right? You’re just making an emotional appeal and hoping it’s convincing enough to make people forget that there aren’t supposed to be exceptions to the vaccine mandate for people with sufficiently annoying relatives.
If all it takes for you to abandon your convictions is someone agreeing with you in a way that you don’t completely approve of then you don’t have a sincerely held belief, you have a socially conditioned emotional response. But I already know you don’t care about being logically consistent enough to actually think about what I’m saying. You got the bad feeling from what I said. I wasn’t being perfectly inclusive. I didn’t check the right mental boxes to get past the NiceGuy™ filter in your head. You can think of one extreme example that maybe doesn’t quite allow for an absolute statement to be made on vaccination therefore I must be wrong, even though saying so would require contradicting yourself.
Let’s shut it down there and get out of here, this guy is just an asshole, right? Right…
There’s a big difference between choosing to not get vaccinated and being coerced into it.
Defending her is not defending the unvaccinated; it’s acknowledging that she was a victim of abuse and that abuse has extreme psychological effects that you clearly don’t truly understand.
Being a victim of any sort of abuse does not remove your free will. I know it makes you feel like you’re being understanding by justifying whatever choices they make but that only sounds nice on a surface level. You’re dehumanizing these people by saying they have no control over their own lives and reducing them to side characters in someone more powerful’s story. That’s not empathy or nuance or whatever else you want to call it. It’s enabling abusive people by perpetuating the idea that victims of abuse aren’t strong enough to oppose them. I doubt these people would appreciate you remembering their lives in such a reductive and impotent way.
You can call it whatever you like but it won’t make what I’m saying any less true. Getting vaccinated is intentionally easy to do. Laws prohibit doctors and any organization with access from sharing medical records. A shitty spouse has less control over this choice than the vast majority of choices in your life.
I’m sending the message to anyone reading this that it is possible to get vaccinated even if there are people in your life who don’t want you to do that. What are you doing besides telling people it’s important to get vaccinated unless it’s a bit more difficult than it should be? Who does that help? Everyone already knows that abusive spouses are dicks. That fact doesn’t need any more attention.
It’s not a universal truth that you can just choose to get a vaccination without making an appointment or needing to involve insurance etc.
In a hypothetical extreme scenario, imagine having to weigh the risks between getting the vaccine that will potentially save your life and unexpectedly getting an appointment reminder text/email or follow-up contact that alerts the controlling partner and they potentially end your life for the “transgression.”
The vaccine being “cheap” is also not universal and if you aren’t allowed personal discretionary spending anything >$0 isn’t cheap enough.
Yes, you’ve successfully summarized the situation this woman may have faced. She chose to let the fear of her spouse make her decision for her. Did she make the right decision? I don’t think so. She’s still dead. At least if she was murdered for choosing to get vaccinated it could be said that she did everything she could to keep herself alive. Maybe that’s a meaningless distinction and maybe it isn’t. I think that comes down to the way you view personal responsibility. Still, whether coerced or not her decision lead to her death and that’s worth pointing out no matter how unfortunate you find the circumstances that lead up to it.
You are of course free to disagree with that assessment but I am firmly of the belief that getting vaccinated is always better than not getting vaccinated unless you have a valid medical reason to avoid vaccination.
This is pretty yikes man. I hope that you’re still like in high school or something and have time to grow a little because the thought of someone having as little compassion or understanding as yourself is concerning.
Making excuses for the unvaccinated is no different than promoting antivax misinformation. Dressing it up as empathy to make it more palatable to your political leanings doesn’t change anything meaningful about what you’re saying. Unless a (non-crackpot) doctor tells you not to get vaccinated you should be vaccinated. Full stop. There is no amount of social pressure that you should allow to make medical decisions for you.
That’s great dude. Come back to the discussion when you’ve got an inkling of life experience and understand how people and operate.
That’s the kind of vague, self righteous platitude people give when they don’t have an actual response. Assuming you’re not some antivax dipshit I guarantee you’ve said something exactly like the final sentence of my last post in the previous four years. Yet here you are saying it’s fine for people to not get vaccinated as long as they have someone else to blame that choice on. Sure, you’re not framing it exactly that way but of course you wouldn’t, that would be stupid and you’re not stupid, right? You’re just making an emotional appeal and hoping it’s convincing enough to make people forget that there aren’t supposed to be exceptions to the vaccine mandate for people with sufficiently annoying relatives.
If all it takes for you to abandon your convictions is someone agreeing with you in a way that you don’t completely approve of then you don’t have a sincerely held belief, you have a socially conditioned emotional response. But I already know you don’t care about being logically consistent enough to actually think about what I’m saying. You got the bad feeling from what I said. I wasn’t being perfectly inclusive. I didn’t check the right mental boxes to get past the NiceGuy™ filter in your head. You can think of one extreme example that maybe doesn’t quite allow for an absolute statement to be made on vaccination therefore I must be wrong, even though saying so would require contradicting yourself.
Let’s shut it down there and get out of here, this guy is just an asshole, right? Right…
There’s a big difference between choosing to not get vaccinated and being coerced into it.
Defending her is not defending the unvaccinated; it’s acknowledging that she was a victim of abuse and that abuse has extreme psychological effects that you clearly don’t truly understand.
Being a victim of any sort of abuse does not remove your free will. I know it makes you feel like you’re being understanding by justifying whatever choices they make but that only sounds nice on a surface level. You’re dehumanizing these people by saying they have no control over their own lives and reducing them to side characters in someone more powerful’s story. That’s not empathy or nuance or whatever else you want to call it. It’s enabling abusive people by perpetuating the idea that victims of abuse aren’t strong enough to oppose them. I doubt these people would appreciate you remembering their lives in such a reductive and impotent way.