it would never occur to you that they are anything but “tankies”
Well, I heard them advocate alot for people defending their own communities and didn’t hear them advocate at all for invading neighboring communities and forcing them to accept their form of socialism at gun point. Thus they have not met the definition of Tankie
Literally the first thing the Black Panthers would do if they managed to seize control of Oakland, Chicago, or any of the other cities they were gaining a lot of support in would be to build up forces and invade neighboring population centers to liberate prisons, de-occupy Black communities, and bring industry into their control to eventually sustain a full scale civil war effort. You understand that, right? Just because their revolution didn’t happen doesn’t mean that they weren’t ready to go and kill a lot of people to make these things happen.
But didn’t they wholeheartedly endorse those AES countries that did exactly the stuff you’re criticizing?
And Eldridge Cleaver, a prominent Black Panther Party leader and its “information minister,” publicly defended the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. He literally visited Moscow after it happened in 1968, endorsed the tanks, and criticized the Soviets for even letting Czechoslavakia start liberalizing and de-communism-izing in the first place. Other Black Panthers didn’t really say much about Hungary or Czechoslavakia, since it largely wasn’t relevant to the things they were doing.
They explicitly called themselves vanguardist. That is the specific aspect of Marxism-Leninism that people who complain about “tankies” describe as
advocat(ing) … for invading neighboring communities and forcing them to accept their form of socialism at gun point.
Again, if I gave you a bunch of anonymized quotes, one from a principled member of the BPP and the other from “tankies”, you would not in a million years be able to pick out the panther, because they are exactly the kind of people who get smeared as “tankies”. It’s also very telling that you talk about a “definition of tankie” but didn’t actually give one, despite the lack of a definition being explicitly what we are talking about.
Well, I heard them advocate alot for people defending their own communities and didn’t hear them advocate at all for invading neighboring communities and forcing them to accept their form of socialism at gun point. Thus they have not met the definition of Tankie
Literally the first thing the Black Panthers would do if they managed to seize control of Oakland, Chicago, or any of the other cities they were gaining a lot of support in would be to build up forces and invade neighboring population centers to liberate prisons, de-occupy Black communities, and bring industry into their control to eventually sustain a full scale civil war effort. You understand that, right? Just because their revolution didn’t happen doesn’t mean that they weren’t ready to go and kill a lot of people to make these things happen.
But didn’t they wholeheartedly endorse those AES countries that did exactly the stuff you’re criticizing?
And Eldridge Cleaver, a prominent Black Panther Party leader and its “information minister,” publicly defended the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. He literally visited Moscow after it happened in 1968, endorsed the tanks, and criticized the Soviets for even letting Czechoslavakia start liberalizing and de-communism-izing in the first place. Other Black Panthers didn’t really say much about Hungary or Czechoslavakia, since it largely wasn’t relevant to the things they were doing.
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/bulletin/v05n02-w091-sept-16-1968-Bulletin.pdf Here’s an anti-Stalinist “socialist” newspaper from the time, scroll down a bit and you’ll find the stuff about the Black Panther Party and Eldridge Cleaver.
They explicitly called themselves vanguardist. That is the specific aspect of Marxism-Leninism that people who complain about “tankies” describe as
Again, if I gave you a bunch of anonymized quotes, one from a principled member of the BPP and the other from “tankies”, you would not in a million years be able to pick out the panther, because they are exactly the kind of people who get smeared as “tankies”. It’s also very telling that you talk about a “definition of tankie” but didn’t actually give one, despite the lack of a definition being explicitly what we are talking about.