Need to make a primal scream without gathering footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh facts of Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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    Not sure which sub a heartwarming story of Nazis shooting their own dicks off goes under, but: Nina Power of Compact gets called a nazi. Sues for defamation. In discovery, produces extensive facts not just supporting Nazi ideas but calling herself a Nazi. Loses so hard she just declared bankruptcy.

    there has been no media coverage of this, but hoo boy does there need to be

    EDIT: ohhh itā€™s the fuckin LD50 gallery, straight up NRX. Judgement, PDF

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        we have scientifically ascertained that this is in fact that rare correct use case for the following emoji sequence: šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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      hahahaha happy garbage day everybody

      The logs also show Ms Power claiming that ā€œthe social disapproval for ā€˜racismā€™ is a psyop to stop people realising that there are alien and fairy racesā€, and that ā€œblack and white were alien races and very differentā€.

      wait, is believing in fairies as an adult a weird racist thing? fuck, itā€™d kind of make sense if the people Iā€™ve known who just causally slipped ā€œby the way fairies are realā€ into casual conversation were doing a dogwhistle I didnā€™t pick up on

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        one day Iā€™ll find a way to shoehorn our experience with a Waldorf School into a sneer.

        In summary, fairy-themed fascism can be tied back into the whole Helena Blavatsky, Rudolph Steiner, esoteric Hitlerism shtick. You most commonly get ambushed with it when dealing with fallen hippies, but it is diffusing into the wider online right via weird 4chan things.

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        see also all the TERFs yesterday loudly coming out in support of Power and her Nazi revelation

        the TERF to nazi pipeline is a doorway, or perhaps just walking over to the other side of the same room

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          the TERF to nazi pipeline is a doorway,

          It is funny how mad TERFs get when you mention they are saying the same things as neo-nazis, and then a few days later another TERF who is also a natzi is revealed again.

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        @self

        This is one of those David Icke things where youā€™re not sure if reptilians/fairies/aliens mean reptilians/fairies/aliens or if theyā€™re some kind of code or euphemism.

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          If you always bet on ā€œeverything confusing that weirdos say is a euphemism or proxy for Jews or Black peopleā€, you will beat the house. Canadians, lizards, trans people, common punctuation marks, apparently also the seelie court I guess.

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          having unfortunately known several David Icke fans: itā€™s always veiled antisemitism, and the veil gradually disappears the more you let them talk

          e: yes, the area I live in is teeming with various flavors of conspiracy nut, why do you ask

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            I vaguely remember his original car crash on Wogan after he went loopy and it was barely veiled antisemitism even then - lizard people and the like

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              ā€œah ah but he wrote books - that surely canā€™t be the works of a person frothing in racism!ā€ is something Iā€™ve heard from a surprising number of people Iā€™ve met

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                if racism made people illiterate every facebook group and every youtube comment section would look completely different

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        I know someone whoā€™s a practicing christian and has said theyā€™ve seen angels

        technical, intelligent person on all fronts otherwise. I have ā€¦ not pushed matters

        (e: not claiming this person I reference is racist, more that Iā€™ve heard some really fucking kooky shit in many spectra, so I donā€™t know how much of a heuristic that sort of thing is by itself. the fairies thing may be a bit more concrete/direct - gonna have to try test it on some flaming racists sometime)

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          I think the connection isnā€™t with belief in the supernatural, but with the specific belief that there are things around us that look like people but arenā€™t people. I can easily see how the latter at minimum makes one very susceptible for racism.

          If people start believing that androids are a real thing (not the OS, human like robots), itā€™s only a matter of time before people will be accused of being androids.

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        causally slipped ā€œby the way fairies are realā€

        wait, what? What sort of context? Multiple people? FFS TELL

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          so I think I must just have one of those faces cause itā€™s been something that multiple former friends have revealed to me, and itā€™s usually a weird show of trust? and itā€™s always something like ā€œyou know, I just think fairies must be real, like theyā€™ve got to be out there? you know?ā€

          and in all cases Iā€™ve gone ā€œā€¦oh thatā€™s coolā€ and mentally earmarked that person as ā€œdo not trust with heavy machineryā€

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            just remembered someone i met decades ago going on and on about spiritualism and ESP and just happened to drop in their own massive racism, thereā€™s definitely a type

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              The crystals to anti-vaxx to full-blown fascism pipeline is real and I have more than a few cousins deep in that KKK hole. Hate to be a science brodude, but all the spiritualism stuff can be a gullibility magnet for those prone to self radicalisation (the bad type)

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            yeah i have one of those faces too (tall, blue eyes, Danish cheekbones), disconcerting number of nazis who wanted me to be in with them

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                  Iā€™ve never had the full on ā€œletā€™s be nazis togetherā€ invite but Iā€™ve had several people launch unprompted into ā€œnow that itā€™s just us white folks we can talk for realā€ mode. internally they must have been like ā€œI see white skin, we are clear for takeoff, 54321ā€

                  funnily enough it hasnā€™t happened since I became visibly trans

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                  ja that can happen/s here too

                  presumably your bones comprehend all the non-weather reasons that .au is such a popular za expat destination

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                    those particular south africans apparently made perth in particular a fucking delight of genteel racism in the late 90s

                    tho they didnā€™t particularly change the nature of it

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            i mean, i have a friend who is literally a UFO religion believer, but theyā€™re decent and politically good and trustworthy and present as normal-English, so

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              see occasionally you meet a UFO person and theyā€™re normal and you only find out about their interest in UFOs because itā€™s the reason they want to get into radio or whatever and they want to see if you can recommend them a setup to communicate with satellites and other stuff in orbit. in effect, their UFO hobby is essentially a modified radio/birdwatching hobby thatā€™s hopefully driving them to learn more about the world around them

              but much more often you meet a UFO person and hear the absolute worst thing youā€™ve heard all month while looking for an escape route, without making it too obvious because youā€™re fairly certain theyā€™re armed. they will later go on the internet and call you an NPC who refuses to wake up because you wouldnā€™t discuss lizard people with them.

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                you only find out about their interest in UFOs because itā€™s the reason they want to get into radio or whatever and they want to see if you can recommend them a setup to communicate with satellites and other stuff in orbit

                you know, I donā€™t know if Iā€™ve actually run into this kind of conversation. I donā€™t think I have. or if I almost did, I fairly likely applied a conversation logic-shortcircuit way before it got there (because of ambient red flag count). but fuck me, if I donā€™t know exactly the kind of person youā€™re referring toā€¦ :|

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                  also

                  without making it too obvious because youā€™re fairly certain theyā€™re armed. they will later go on the internet and call you an NPC who refuses to wake up

                  ZA has many problems (and oh christ could I wax lyrical), but thank fuck I do not live in fucking eaglecountry

                  itā€™s a whole fucked-up 'ole dynamic when you need to ā€œwatch your backā€ in the most very literal sense because you didnā€™t eat some bozoā€™s shit :|

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          given some of the other things Iā€™ve seen from the guardian, not sure that wouldā€™ve necessarily been a contraindicator

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            I mean they didnā€™t seem very fashy at first. The later ones (2018, when she was fashy on the down-low ) started to get TERFy but earlier (2010-2014) it was all "the police arenā€™t your friendā€ and stuff about government trying to restrict the right to protest, etc.

            (I looked over her Guardian contributions after reading about the bankruptcy etc in this thread.)

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          she had a piece in The Quietus in 2018, but by 2020 they had kicked a writer out for being pals with DC Miller, her co-plaintiff in this case

          (just for confusion one of the Quietus guys is a different Luke Turner)

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      there are some phenomenal whoppers just in the opening paragraphs of that article, holy shit

      this is gonna make great piecemeal reading today!

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      Wonder how the lawyers reacted when they got that treasure trove filled with stolen nazi gold during discovery.

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          They will certainly win a lot of drinks in any ā€˜who has had the dumbest clientsā€™ contests.

          ā€˜And then we found the ā€œIā€™m definitely a Nazi now lolā€ messageā€™ is a great punchline for a dumbest client ever joke

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          I read the judgement quite carefully and it makes no reference at all to the discovery material. the only evidence it demonstrates awareness of is public or is testimony