• hark@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    If your choices are limited to the two party duopoly then you don’t really have a choice. Technically you can vote for another party, but that’s just throwing your vote away. If you don’t vote then there are millions of others who vote anyway (voting with your wallet when buying products doesn’t work for similar reasons).

    The people had the system forced on them and are extremely limited in what they can do in it. Let’s say by some miracle that another party emerges victorious, that’ll just become the new target for bribery lobbyists who will bend the party to their will anyway.

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      2 months ago

      If your choices are limited to the two party duopoly then you don’t really have a choice

      It’s just slower than you want. If you consistently vote for “one side”, every election, the center will move toward that side as the candidates differentiate themselves (but not too much). Isn’t this the entire problem? Too many people have been voting Conservative for too many years, digging themselves a hole that will take a similar number of years to dig out of?

      Currently the “middle” is way to the right. Are you voting to move that middle line yet farther right or are you voting to start moving it back toward the left?

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        2 months ago

        I’ve voted for the democratic party straight down the ballot every election for as long as I can vote. A major part of the problem is that the two party system guarantees that at some point republicans will get power and when they do, they drag the window to the right rapidly. When democrats get power, they’re comfortable with leaving the window where it is for the most part, insisting that we “work with republicans” while republicans never do the same. Compare eight years of Obama with four years of Trump.

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      2 months ago

      Your options are limited because the overall system is shit. You won’t get more options until the entire political system is reformed and that’s why I’m saying everyone is to blame, because the signs have been there for a long time.

      Right now blaming the democrats does nothing because you still have to vote democrat, the alternative is a fascist who will try to completely break down the democratic apparatus. After the election Americans should start constantly demanding a reformation of the system because it no longer serves the people.

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      Let’s say by some miracle that another party emerges victorious, that’ll just become the new target for bribery lobbyists who will bend the party to their will anyway.

      This is why reforming capitalism is a waste of time. Reforms only delay end stage, not prevent it entirely. The solution (IMO) is to diffuse the wealth and the power that comes with it into the population through worker co-ops.

      Maybe that isn’t the solution, who the fuck cares if I’m right or not? But we won’t ever work towards that better way of life if we let the status quo lord over us all our whole lives?

      I’m sure people thought feudalism was going to be forever to back in the day, much like capitalism now. Capitalism isn’t thousands of years old like feudalism was. (Still is in select parts of the world)