You can only run a grift like his once. He conned progressive voters for their support by donning a progressive mask, but that mask is now off and the neoliberal thug underneath is visible now.
Honeymoon? All he had to do was exist while not being PP, no one I know actually wants him
I voted for him exactly out of fear of PP.
Hopefully you didn’t split an NDP riding to do that.
I did not.
He took it off day 1 fucking with airline unions. Takes awhile for everyone to wipe the vaseline out of their eyes I guess.
I’ve seriously never seen this idiom before. What does it mean?
I don’t think it’s a common one but, you’re not familiar with petroleum jelly? You’d be blinded if you crammed a bunch of it into your eyes and it’d take awhile to get it out. That would be progressives expecting better from Carney.
I expected Carney to behave like what he is: corporate loyalist banker and a conservative. I voted for him because Singh was weak and wouldn’t win plus he was continuing Layton’s strategy of moving to center, going as far as removing socialist references from the party constitution. Becoming a useless alt-Liberal party. Avi potentially reverses this weak idea. I chose slow decay over rapid via P.P. and at no point was I happy doing so. I think all we’ve done is delay the inevitable by voting lesser evil. Still evil. Decay will continue until something gives out.
Well yeah, it’d take a while to get sand out too, but you don’t usually hear it in idioms with that meaning, lol. Is it implying then that people would just like, shove vaseline in their eyes and then act surprised that they couldn’t see? I guess yeah, but it doesn’t seem like you understand “progressives” in a way that would suggest they’re consciously ignoring elements of liberalism to justify a self-asserted morality (which they are).
I also don’t know how you determine which is lesser if it’s all just cooperative evil. Liberals both historically and contemporary are fundamentally dedicated to the reproduction of capitalism and all of the social and material inequities which it depends on and facilitates. So, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that they typically promote or cooperate with fascists as a weapon against more structural, systemic challenge that typically comes from vulnerable groups who cannot benefit from gradual (and repealable) concessions in the way that middle-class labourers do. I mean, the Liberals have more latitude to do harm with a majority government than a minority one, which is what they got out of this when so many NDP ridings flipped or split.
Also, by “something gives out,” you are suggesting that the decay ought to lead to some other system, right? Not just the continuance of this one (the inevitable consequences of which we are discussing at this moment).
I’d like to present exhibit A: Donald Trump, a new grift daily.
I take offence at the comparison between the progressive vote behind Carney and the people voting Trump. 😄
We voted Carney precisely to avoid a Canadian Trump situation.
Could you explain the substantial difference between these men if they’re both intent on continuing capitalism and American imperialism? Is it just that one of them is meaner about you specifically?
Or, are you saying it is progressive to vote for a Neolib who explicitly wanted Canada’s economy to be even more dependent on extractive mining and agriculture without consideration for indigenous peoples and First Nations? Feels like it’s more aesthetic, which is partly why liberals (as in liberalism, but of course also Liberals as in the Liberal Party) loved it that Trump was reelected; the guy makes it exceedingly easy to push conservative and Neolib policies under the guise of “anti-fascism.” (And Trump is a fascist)
Progressives don’t vote for tRump, MAGATs do, and they seem susceptible to daily conning
The susceptibility is exactly why that group was targeted by Rump and the billionaires.
Calling liberal voters “progressive” for voting Liberal is honestly such a concerning example of how little Canadians understand politics.
I never said Liberal voters were progressive, in fact my statement implies the opposite.
So, when you said “He conned progressive voters for their support by donning a progressive mask, but that mask is now off and the neoliberal thug underneath is visible now,” you were saying they weren’t progressive voters? Then why would his progressiveness need to be fake? Or are you saying that there is some ideal, authentically progressive voter that has had barely an effect on Canadian politics prior to the 2025 election that somehow was conned and shifted the results here?
But then like, why would you say that it was fake then, are you saying that whatever Carney was running on (which did include pretty much all of the political and economic deals he’s pursued) was an example of that authentic progressiveness?
Genuinely asking at this point.
Pretty sure he’s got what he wanted out of it. “Elbows up.”
HARM
REDUCTION
Don’t attribute more than that. Give us a rank choice voting and watch the real numbers pop.
