• Renin [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    Every liberal oppositionists: “We need to do less identity politics!!!”

    Also every “liberal oppositionists”: “We need to keep focusing on identity!!!”

    We’re bad if we show our identities and we’re bad when we try to mind our own business. Never good enough.

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    Whoever’s shocked by that: The Green Party of Germany and the Green Party of Austria are one of the most Zionist-supporting parties of the “left“. The youth organization of the Austrian Greens even defends the IDF on Social Media.

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      Right, but the uk green party has a different track record then the german one and seemingly people had other expectations. There is no unifying green party line across europe except for (maybe) ecology.

      On a side note, they’re always an ideological mess, the one here in france is very amusing to watch because they are so divided on every single issue lmao, it’s like 17th century courtpolitics drama

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        the uk green party

        aaaa stop it there is no UK green party. There is a Green Party of England and Wales, a Scottish Green Party and a Green Party NI.

        The Scottish Green Party is a separate party that not only supports Scottish independence, but also was in Scottish government last term and successfully got an actually progressive and super-cool Gender recognition bill voted through Scottish Parliament (then the UK government intervened to stop it). They also successfully pushed through rent controls, expansion of universal healthcare, expansion of renewables and expansion of renters’ rights. They’re definitely not perfect, but they are 100x better than the “uk green party” as you put it.

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          Scottish Greens are also anti-China hawks and

          edit: pro-NATO like the english and welsh greens.

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            Any sources for this? I’ve googled and literally can’t find anything even vaguely official on either position.

            Best I could find was BBC describing them as still officially anti-NATO a few years back. So the only scrap I could find was in their favour.

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              Yeah they seem to be quite cagey about being openly against NATO since like a 2012 article on their website, but their foreign policy takes are still in the broadly anti-communist alliance (but their support for the BDS campaign and generally anti-zionist position is still commendable). Their commitment to an absolutely anti-military position effectively continues this lack of support for NATO but they are not so explicit about it anymore.

              But their China takes are absolutely horrendous on re-reads of their manifesto: https://greens.scot/Manifesto/ExternalAffairs

              Provide direct support to the Tibetan Government-in-exile, such as financial support and digital record keeping, recognising their role as the legitimate democratic representatives of the Tibetan people.

              Use Scotland’s trade links, including the Government’s office in Beijing, to hold China to account over the persecution of Uyghurs, Tibetans, pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong, and others.

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                Ah yeah, that China position is absolutely bad. Still, I’ll otherwise critically support them as the best party option I got for now.

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        Fair point. But what they all share is the obsession with “liberal democracy“, right? I know no instance of the Greens in Europe that is able to imagine a world where we overcame this system, that is mostly run by big corporations and detached full-time politicians.

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          I think that’s more them becoming “institutionalized” (read: riddled people in it for the money) as they grow in the number of elected representatives.

          I was a member of the Green Party almost a decade ago when I lived in the UK, they only had 1 MP and before Corbyn became the leader of Labour, and most people I knew in it were even against Consumer Society. In fact, back then they were pretty much the only genuinelly left-of-center party in England with Parliamentary representation.

          In fact, I’ve seen shifts in the posture of the party top layers in other small leftwing parties in other countries as they grew their number of seats in the local version of Parliament - small leftwing parties without strong coherent broad ideologies, which grew up during the Neoliberal era, seem to be incredibly prone to rot from the head down when they achieve some measure of success, maybe because when their politics are pretty much made up on the spot based on some vague principles it’s pretty easy for slick operators to climb up in such a party and start taking it towards a “pragmatic approach”, which invariably means to do whatever gets the most votes (and hence for them personally, access to well paid political positions) and screw the principles.

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    Is the UK going to beat Germany in fully embracing nazism again?

    Also the part about the suicide hotline is absolutely outrageous.

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      ’ Looked like UK were charging towards a strong lead for a while there, having committed domestic genocide, and imprisoning people for free speech, ongoing hegemony-complicit commitments, etc.

      But… seen the German election result 2026, a day or so ago? AfD won. Germany back on top. Winning [\s]. :(

      … Maybe that’s why the UK’s trying even harder now…? Even the greens are getting in on it? o_O Are we soon up to “Dear UK Green Party… Why yes I would like to accept your offer of a train ride to protect the environment.”??? [/s(?)]

  • I was already mad, then I read the last line of their post about the hotline and got the kind of mad where you just see white for a couple of seconds.

    Fuck every single one of those people.

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      Yeah, if as reported, that’s going to radically nudge the UK green party’s pinpoint on the political compass up and to the right.

      Not allowed to be as you are because money? Not allowed to be as you are because our money and power at threat by not pandering to perceptions of public popular perception? Not allowed to be as you are because ticked the wrong box on bureaucratic form?

      Not my greens.

      Need more sane peeps going green, to dilute the crazy-on-crazy (that I suspect comes almost entirely from agent provocateurs), to dilute the agent provocateur infiltration, to help look out for each other, and keep focus on what the green parties are supposed to be about.

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        aaaa there is no UK green party. The Green Party of England and Wales is pretty shite, the other Green Parties in the UK are significantly better.

        The Scottish Green Party just a few years ago successfully got a very progressive Gender Recognition Act voted through Scottish parliament (which the UK government then squashed). They assuredly still have problems, but they support Scottish independence, and they’ve successfully got a bunch of actually good things ™ into law.

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            Stings every time, when voting in UK elections, rather than Scotland’s. Not just because Westminster has no list system or any other kind of proportional voting, ranked choice, anything other than first past the post. But also because the resulting effects of that, the parties are more corrupt and coerced by the terror induced by the system to be more duplicitous and crap, and so it’s just blatant in your face, there are no good choices [if the “good” choice parties even run a candidate], and the more you try to vote for a good choice, [(albeit a signal to other sheeple to vote with their conscience next time now that others are too)], the more in that election you risk letting the worst in power… Like the system itself is constantly pushing for and towards kakistarchy.

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              I lived in England most of my life. First year in Scotland, and immediately it was the first time a (at least vaguely) left-wing party, one I voted for, actually got in government. One that went on to pass like, three laws that actually benefit me and others, surreal experience. Somehow, over time living in the same place, my rent, my dentistry costs, and my public transports costs all got cheaper, genuinely was strange to see.

              There’s still a ton of problems with it all here, including much of the corruption, coercion and blatant lies you mention. But the proportional vote does make bourgeois democracy about 10% more meaningful, it’s only a 95% endless trudge into misery and despair, instead of 98%.

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    They already had such little support. Why do this? This is exactly where those disillusioned by Labour’s policies were going to and they just snuffed out a good portion of that. Especially with that last line. Holy fuck that last line is rage inducing.

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    green party got filled with little labour careerists too fast, even there your party couldn’t hold the fort for couple of quarters.