false. I vote every election, I dont vote for everything on the ballot, sometime i leave the ballot empty. two very different things
So… You didn’t “not vote”. Cool. What I said. Awesome.
I think there is some fundamental confusion here that I can’t go into your brain and point to.
spend some time there and understand that there are many people willing to show up for the right candidate but wont show up for the shitshow that is the dem party currently.
There are many things on a ballot, and many different dems. There are members of the DSA running under the dem ticket. There are members of the WFP running under the dem ticket.
I will apologize only slightly for the caps here - NOT VOTING SENDS A MESSAGE THAT YOU ARE OK WITH ANY OUTCOME. Whether you want that to be the message or not is inconsequential. If you want to do something about the candidates, DO IT MORE THAN A MONTH AND CHANGE BEFORE AN ELECTION.
I’m telling you that you cannot infer what you think your inferring from people who didnt vote.
I’m not the one who will be doing the inferring. This should be the first thing you try to understand before trying to get me to pretend what you’re suggesting is going to make sense (PS: It doesn’t).
The ones who will be doing the inferring are the political strategists. The ones who tell politicians, who tell the DNC and RNC the best strategy for what they want.
You know that good ol’ meme about the overton window? Want to know how it keeps cranking to the right?
“Leftists aren’t voting. To get voters, you’ll need to shift right.”
This comes from polling information, from voting records, etc. Not voting is a great way to keep cranking that window to the right.
They aren’t going to bother trying to capture the people not voting.
This is shown further with systems that allow someone like Mamdani to succeed. They are already working on one approach to capture votes, so they try to prevent situations that will require a strategy change.
You can obviously do whatever you’d like, I’m encouraging people to vote. I sure as anything won’t tell people to not vote and continue decades of the same message, get the same results, and then be mad about those results.
I also know that if you want to make a difference in who is on the ballot, that doesn’t happen after the ballots are set. That was months ago. I put my efforts in to push the people I wanted to then. Some of them are on the ballot, maybe I helped with it, maybe I should have done more, idk. But I did what I could and there are some progressive candidates locally that I wanted that hopefully will get in.
And if you want to change who is on the ballot too, you should also put in efforts a lot earlier than a month and change before. The deadline has already passed just about everywhere, including last-minute petitions for a vacancy.
Vote by mail ballots are being prepped (I do not recommend voting by mail, use a drop box).
Early voting is single digit weeks away.
The time to complain about who is on the ballot has long since passed.
Now take a moment and realize that if people didnt complain then, and then don’t vote now, what message comes across?
“I’m grateful people are dying, children are being murdered, and families are being torn apart because I feel like some people realized Trump does bad things” is a pretty shit take IMO.
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No, you clearly did not understand.
“Not voting” is a message of apathy, not discontent.
“Not voting” is being OK with things as they are.
“Not voting” is not taking every avenue possible.
“Not voting” is nothing more than giving up.
You should try reading my comment again.
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You really enjoy being wrong, don’t you?
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So… You didn’t “not vote”. Cool. What I said. Awesome.
I think there is some fundamental confusion here that I can’t go into your brain and point to.
There are many things on a ballot, and many different dems. There are members of the DSA running under the dem ticket. There are members of the WFP running under the dem ticket.
I will apologize only slightly for the caps here - NOT VOTING SENDS A MESSAGE THAT YOU ARE OK WITH ANY OUTCOME. Whether you want that to be the message or not is inconsequential. If you want to do something about the candidates, DO IT MORE THAN A MONTH AND CHANGE BEFORE AN ELECTION.
If thats a message you are OK with, go for it.
I’m not.
Edit: mobile typo.
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Thats your intention. That isn’t the message.
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Already did, but sure.
I’m not the one who will be doing the inferring. This should be the first thing you try to understand before trying to get me to pretend what you’re suggesting is going to make sense (PS: It doesn’t).
The ones who will be doing the inferring are the political strategists. The ones who tell politicians, who tell the DNC and RNC the best strategy for what they want.
You know that good ol’ meme about the overton window? Want to know how it keeps cranking to the right?
“Leftists aren’t voting. To get voters, you’ll need to shift right.”
This comes from polling information, from voting records, etc. Not voting is a great way to keep cranking that window to the right.
They aren’t going to bother trying to capture the people not voting.
This is shown further with systems that allow someone like Mamdani to succeed. They are already working on one approach to capture votes, so they try to prevent situations that will require a strategy change.
You can obviously do whatever you’d like, I’m encouraging people to vote. I sure as anything won’t tell people to not vote and continue decades of the same message, get the same results, and then be mad about those results.
I also know that if you want to make a difference in who is on the ballot, that doesn’t happen after the ballots are set. That was months ago. I put my efforts in to push the people I wanted to then. Some of them are on the ballot, maybe I helped with it, maybe I should have done more, idk. But I did what I could and there are some progressive candidates locally that I wanted that hopefully will get in.
And if you want to change who is on the ballot too, you should also put in efforts a lot earlier than a month and change before. The deadline has already passed just about everywhere, including last-minute petitions for a vacancy.
Vote by mail ballots are being prepped (I do not recommend voting by mail, use a drop box).
Early voting is single digit weeks away.
The time to complain about who is on the ballot has long since passed.
Now take a moment and realize that if people didnt complain then, and then don’t vote now, what message comes across?
Not the one you’re claiming IMO.
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Lol, then walk away bro. All I see if you here struggling to prove yourself right.
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You’re glad we’re at war with Iran? You’re glad ICE is murdering citizens and disappearing non citizens with impunity? You are 14
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I didn’t put shit in your mouth beside what was already there, child.
“I’m grateful people are dying, children are being murdered, and families are being torn apart because I feel like some people realized Trump does bad things” is a pretty shit take IMO.
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The scale is quite a bit different, as are many of the actions taken. Let’s not ignore reality.
If there were no actual difference you wouldn’t care if Harris lost.
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Mhmm.
Done with this comment chain too.
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