I have the opportunity to maybe get a job as a software developer at a small software company that employs 14 people. But my gut is telling me that getting a job at a small company like that might he terrible. Do you guys have any experiences working at companies that small?

In my mind, I imagine the CEO would have a very large presence at the company and everyone would feel a lot of pressure to appease him. I imagine that the whole company would just be a boys’ club. But I guess any company can be like that, so maybe I’m jumping to conclusions, and the size of the company isn’t actually related to company culture?

Please let me know if you have any thoughts.

EDIT: The company has been around for two decades

  • Ilflish@lemm.ee
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    Clique culture in small companies is pretty common. It might not be boys club but there’s no middle man to protect Devs from those in charge so there’s always going to be pressure to hang out if everyone is or to work overtime. You have to work in that clique culture but you don’t have to always say yes as long as you are friendly about it. The phrase “being firm” has never sat right with me for these as it’s the antithesis of friendliness you can be loose and say no and if it’s brought up again stay loose and continue to say no. You don’t need an excuse but a loose excuse is works well.

    Security is obviously always scary but the tech landscape does not really have that anyway. Realistically if the only worry is it’s a small company and everything else is good, take it. If you find that you don’t fit into the small team flow, then you can continue looking in the future.

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    Pros: You get hands on with all sorts of tech and get to do everything. You’ll have more flexibility in how you solve things.

    Cons: You get hands on with all sorts of tech and get to do everything. You’ll have more flexibility in how you solve things.

    It’s fun being at a small software company but it can be exhausting.

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    It’s a two-edged sword for sure.

    The good:

    • Lots of room for creativity, innovation, and change. But as others mentioned, this depends on the company culture.

    • Less red tape because of the shorter line up the organization.

    • Faster promotion track if the company grows and you’ve already established yourself. You can also get a huge payout if the company is acquired in the future.

    The bad:

    • Possibly not as organized vs a company with an established support group (admin, payroll, HR, etc.).

    • People having to perform multiple roles due to having fewer personnel.

    • As a counter to the 2nd bullet in the pro section, having to deal directly with top management means you’re more exposed to politics.

    • Possibly lower pay. But you said they’ve been around for 2 decades so maybe they’re paying well, and I’m sure you’ve considered the pay already.

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      Also there may be very good coworkers or very bad coworkers, you’ll probably work closely with either.

      And things will probably be a lot more informal.

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      People having to perform multiple roles due to having fewer personnel.

      A pro in my book. I like the diversity of work rather than getting pigeon-holed into some very niche little task that I would have to do day in and day out.

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        For sure, but it depends if you actually want to do the additional work assigned to you. It’s all good, until you’re being asked to do some administrative stuff like help Jen from accounting on company finances because it’s tax season. Or finish some paperwork for the lease on the building the company is renting. Or sales/marketing stuff like reaching out to a customer to sell additional features, when you’re a backend developer. Or provide technical support when you aren’t supposed to be customer-facing.

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    Ok, I’ll give my experience. I was hired as basically a paid intern. I was in high school, I “knew” computers like a nerdy teenager knows computers… Not real knowledge of their workings but I played with some programming(I got hello world to work using perl) , I could install linux(in the early 2000s, I bought copy of Debian Linux on 7 cds). I was basically told I would be an assistant to the other computer technician.

    A week after I got hired, he got fired. For the next several months people got hired and fired after a 2-3 weeks. The company was 3 people, myself, the owner, his wife did the accounting. I didn’t know what I was doing, googling what I could to figure stuff out(i now know that’s normal but also now know how to Google correctly). I leaned on the owner to figure out things. I don’t know if your job is in computers but these are things I learned later were absolutely idiotic.

    1. If a computer came in with a suspected virus, standard protocol was no research or investigation… Format and reinstall.

    2. We had corporate clients (main client was a credit union), we gave the windows CD and license code to each teller with no record of what they were. He sold the license at the price he bought then for from staples.

    3. All servers had local admin accounts. All local admin accounts had similar passwords. I was the only person who knew what those passwords were.

    4. My boss thought time spent documenting was time wasted.

    Anyways I stayed there for 4 years. It was not perfect and I learned so much wrong stuff. It was a decent job, my boss had really weird rules(why so many people got fired), and my time would of been spent better learning correct information.

    That said I ended up causing the company to go bankrupt and the owner and his wife are now Christian consulers…

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        Long story short… Most of the money the company earned was from the credit union. I went through a depression phase and tried to kill myself (I’m doing better now) so I was inpatient in a mental ward for about a month.

        The credit union got a computer security audit from the ncua(similar to fdic but for credit unions). My boss could not access any system. No servers, no firewalls, no intrusion detection systems, nothing. I had the passwords but was unable to be contacted and “documentation was a waste of time”.

        They failed the audit. Credit union basically asked “we pay you for computer security, we failed an audit for computer security, so why do we pay you?”

        Contract was lost and company went under shortly afterwards.