This might just sound like the same old shit others voice with the recent gaza genocide, but ive hated israel for far longer. In high school i read a book called the olive grove, its based on a true story of a Palestinian family that lost every thing to the zionist movement. It follows 3 generation of the family from the first world war till after the second. It tells of the horrors they faced by the us backed terrorists taking their home and land turning away from the atrocities being committed. Its heart breaking, and when i read it in 2009 i didnt fully understand but seeing all the shit done now, i just think this cycle of hate started and can not be stopped.

Idk what else to say, i mean i could go on and on but i dont have the mental capacity to do so while drinking. I recommend others to read the book, it was a very good read when i was a high schooler and i plan to start it again as soon as i can find my copy.

Here is a link to the book if anyone is interested in reading it https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2327988.The_Olive_Grove

  • qooqie@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Yeah man idk about worse than nazis. It’s extremely hard to be worse than nazis. You need to go read up on the horrors the Nazis committed before saying anything is worse or as bad as Nazis.

    • Tiger Jerusalem@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Since we’re talking about hot takes, here’s mine. The Nazis are the most reviled because Hitler did the “unthinkable”: he tried to colonize the colonizers by claiming to be whiter than the whites. So, the atrocities committed by nazis are somehow way more inexcusable than the ones committed by the British over “brown people”. They ran concentration camps too, but since the victims were black, people doesn’t seem too bothered by it.

      And don’t get me started about slavery, where people were grabbed and treated like animals, packed in ships as packages, and forced to work in their own concentration camps for the white guys.

      What the Nazis did was horrible, but let’s not pretend they’re the only evil ones. Israel is just as bad, the difference being they’re doing it over brown people which makes it somehow more acceptable on the eyes of the world.

      • towerful@programming.dev
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        4 months ago

        Im not going to defend the british empire. But these atrocities are off by a significant factor compared to the holocaust.
        There were over 40,000 jewish ghettos and concentration camps.
        In the ghettos, jews (and romani, and others) were rationed on 250cal per day, lived 7 to a room. Warsaw ghetto had a peek population of 460,000. At least 300,000 were shot, and a further 92,000 died of starvation and disease. Despite thousands (if not 10s of thousands) of people being forced into the ghetto, the population never increased.
        Auschwitz had the highest survival rate of the concentration camps, where 1.1 million died of the 1.3 million that went “through” that camp.

        Yes, the british empire has done horrendous things. But nowhere on the scale and ferocity of the holocaust.

        I think the early 1900s were very dark, and a lot of people did horrendous things. Actually, probably doing a lot of horrendous things in the 1800s as well.
        Id like to think humanity has learned since then

        • chillhelm@lemmy.world
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          4 months ago

          There is also another aspect:

          While many European empires colonized and oppressed the local populations brutally, eradication was never the point. The point was always extraction of wealth.

          With the Nazis there was not even a pretense of working towards any goal other than complete annihilation. The Nazis engineered death according to modern, industrial principles. They did not just dehumanize their victims by declaring their lives worthless. They calculated a value of exactly what it was worth to extinguish a jewish/handicapped/lgbtq/communist/sinti/roma/non-white life and then went about spending that money as efficiently as possible.

          In other genocides you will see wanton bombings, mobs raging through the streets, sieges denying food and resources to areas. But you will not see reports from bureaucrats complaining that shipping of this load of victims to that camp was inefficient and they should have been sent to a different camp to save costs instead.

          Israel is not the Nazis. Still bad though.