• Vesker@lemm.ee
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    19 days ago

    Yeah, that’s not too surprising given the strong allegations against Neil Gaiman. While I enjoyed Dead Boy Detectives for what it was, I don’t particularly want to watch or read anything Gaiman has a hand with now.

    I just wonder how Sandman and Good Omens will be handled. I can’t imagine either show being scrapped at this point given the fact that both have been in production for so long, though I would be shocked if they were renewed for additional seasons.

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      17 days ago

      Can we, for once, separate the art from the artist? It is possible to enjoy something created by an absolute bastard without endorsing their shitty behavior. Lots of people play Call of Cthulhu without endorsing eugenics. Or Mission Impossible without supporting Scientology. Can I still watch Emma knowing Gwyneth Paltrow sells vagina rocks to gullible women and the movie was produced by Harvey Weinstein? Absolutely. It’s a gem.

      Stop 👏 Cancelling 👏 Shows 👏 Because 👏 One 👏 Person 👏 Is 👏 A👏 Cunt👏

      Of course, if it sucked, that’s different

      Edit: the main creative force continuing to profit from production/distribution is a fair point. There’s nuance to be had here

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        If Gaiman could be separated, that might be okay, but I don’t want to buy his shit anymore. I don’t want to support projects that make him rich. I don’t even like having his books in my house now. Gross.

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          17 days ago

          Honest question, and this comes from a place of genuine good faith:

          Where do you draw the line? Hollywood is rife with abuse. SA of women, men, and minors. Toxic work environments. Labor abuses. It’s easy when there’s a single point that one can direct their anger towards. Neil Gaiman, J.K. Rowling, Harvey Weinstein, etc. And I’m not advocating that abuse in any form, once brought to light, should be ignored because others are getting away with it. But when it comes to boycotts, where is the line? It’s easy for me, I just pirate everything and directly support the artists I’m interested in supporting. But I’d like your perspective

          I’m gonna ask a couple of other commenters in this thread as well, because I’m curious

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            17 days ago

            Same as everybody else, I think, it’s a case by case basis, weighed against my own baggage and preconceptions, balanced as much as possible with not compromising so far on morals, ethics or principles that I agonize over it.

            I haven’t gotten rid of my Gaiman books yet, but I’m not going to be able to read them again without thinking about him, so eventually I’ll figure out how I want to dispose of them. I got rid of anything by Rowling years ago.

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        19 days ago

        “But I want my fun thing! Why can’t we just pretend this person didn’t force himself on these vulnerable people? This slightly INCONVENIENCES me!!!”

        STOP 👏 Canceling 👏 shows 👏 because 👏 the 👏 main 👏 creative👏 force 👏 behind 👏 it 👏 who 👏 will 👏 profit 👏 most from 👏 its 👏 success 👏 is 👏 abusing 👏 women 👏

        That’s you.

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          17 days ago

          I had a snarky reply, but then i spent two days in the woods and realized you have a point (although I’m not inconvenienced, just in outrage burnout)

          Honest question, and this comes from a place of genuine good faith:

          Where do you draw the line? Hollywood is rife with abuse. SA of women, men, and minors. Toxic work environments. Labor abuses. It’s easy when there’s a single point that one can direct their anger towards. Neil Gaiman, J.K. Rowling, Harvey Weinstein, etc. And I’m not advocating that abuse in any form, once brought to light, should be ignored just because others are getting away with it. But when it comes to boycotts, where is the line? It’s easy for me, I just pirate everything and directly support the artists I’m interested in supporting. But I’d like your perspective

          I’m gonna ask a couple of other commenters in this thread as well, because I’m curious

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            17 days ago

            It’s a dynamic thing and an ongoing struggle frankly. The goal isn’t perfection though, the goal is to not avoid confronting objective truths about these people once they are clear/valid. It’s also about not allowing myself to conveniently forget when I want to. Pirate and direct support otherwise is a valid layer, but you can’t pirate a trip to a theme park for example. So it’s also about missing out on some things unfortunately. Not great, not perfect, but an effort I’ll make.

            Good to hear you reconsider and stay open to thinking about general approach.

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        If Gaiman wasn’t still alive getting rich off his art, then maybe. But while they’re still alive, I’d rather not celebrate or consume the art created by people like Polanski, Weinstein, Rowling, and Gaiman.

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          17 days ago

          Do you boycott everything produced by the Weinsteins? It’s a big catalogue, of which Harvey has more involvement in some than others. Polanski I get, he continues to produce new works after his gross behavior came to light. By the way, my question below is partly inspired by Polanski’s continued acceptance in Hollywood…

          Honest question, and this comes from a place of genuine good faith:

          Where do you draw the line? Hollywood is rife with abuse. SA of women, men, and minors. Toxic work environments. Labor abuses. It’s easy when there’s a single point that one can direct their anger towards. Neil Gaiman, J.K. Rowling, Harvey Weinstein, etc. And I’m not advocating that abuse in any form, once brought to light, should be ignored because others are getting away with it. But when it comes to boycotts, where is the line? It’s easy for me, I just pirate everything and directly support the artists I’m interested in supporting. But I’d like your perspective

          I’m gonna ask a couple of other commenters in this thread as well, because I’m curious

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            That’s a valid question and I’ll try to give you an honest answer. It’s certainly easier to boycott works of specific actors, writers, or directors, than it is producers, though I try. I have undoubtedly watched movies from Weinstein’s production company without realizing, as you noted, his catalogue is enormous. Though if I’m aware of Weinstein’s involvement in a project beforehand, then I try to steer clear.

            I guess I boycott on a case-by-case basis. It’s a lot harder to boycott full production companies than it is individuals.

            That being said, there’s a reason I haven’t watched Chinatown despite hearing how great it is, or Shakespeare in Love, or American Beauty, etc. It’s also why I lost complete interest in Harry Potter and ignored Hogwarts Legacy. And going back to Neil Gaiman, I have several of his books, comics, and enjoyed most of his film and TV adaptations, but now thinking about any of his work leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth.

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    19 days ago

    With the current issues surrounding Gaiman I can understand them not renewing unless it was an absolute banger, which it wasn’t