It’s a curious thing. I’m not dismissing any of their claims, but I find it a bit interesting that they can so easily uncover everything that the government doesn’t want you to know when it’s hidden for a reason.

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    Occam’s razor answer: They’re crackpots that seek out and/or surround themselves with other crackpots. One crackpot makes the stuff up, the others eat it up. Eventually it becomes a positive feedback loop of crackpot theory feeding more crackpot theories.

    Did I mention they’re crackpots? Because they’re crackpots.

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      It can be worse than that sometimes. The crackpots see some nuggets of truth, and for whatever reason, they make some leap in interpreting them that leads them to nonsense. They keep finding things that are either true, and add them to their worldview, or made by people who took compatible leaps of logic away from reality. They propagate it to others.

      Taking Kennedy’s assassination as a classic example: it’s true that a lot of people wanted him dead, some benefited from his death, the CIA has a history of assassinations, and Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist who had once lived in Minsk. I can see why someone with just enough information to feel confident can arrive at a belief that the CIA or USSR killed Kennedy, while missing critical information to realize there’s no reason to believe either is true.

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      Conspiracy theories can be revealed to be true. They’re not all bullshit.

      In the 90s I was in the rabbit hole about Echelon and had a healthy paranoia about my privacy.

      So when Snowden dropped the leaks about mass government surveillance I wasn’t surprised at all. I assumed everyone knew. But nope - apparently Echelon was a “conspiracy theory” and so was all the Snowden stuff until - it wasn’t.

      That’s my personal experience but there’s others like MKUltra.

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    depends on the conspiracy theory.

    real conspiracies; like MK-Ultra, we find out through leaks, declassification and similar sources.

    The loony-bin conspiracy theories like “moon landing hoax” (any one with a ham radio could track the apollo CSM as it went to the moon, there’s no way to hide such a trip. there’s really no way to fake those signals.) are mostly sourced from bullshit.

    another great example of this is the Birds Aren’t Real conspiracy. Which… uh… started as satire. there’s plenty of ways they get started, but they all boil down to bullshit.

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        the people they were making fun of… demonstrated Poe’s Law.

        in any case… I give you this…

        it’s a drone used for wildlife conservation so as to not spook whatever they’re trying to track; too much.

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          That doesn’t seem like a conspiracy. That looks like a potential legitimate bit of tech and for that purpose. Have anything a little more convincing?

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            in full disclosure… I’m not one of those…

            I mean I build R/C aircraft all the time. one of my favorites is an 8" scale version of the 1950’s Day the Earth Stood Still flying saucer for refrence

            More than once, I’ve flown that in a park only for some MAGA-idiot to go fetch a shotgun and shoot at it. these people are not exactly stable.

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    Theres classified data leaks all the time. Hell, warthunder has had like 7 leaks now? Its not a small number.

    Plus, its not like MKUltra didnt happen.