Obviously? Like, this is how war and geopolitics has worked since the invention of the pointy stick.
Whether you like them or not, Israel is an ally and Iran is a self-proclaimed enemy of the Western world.
An enemy jumps in on a war and bombs one of our allies, you expect no reaction? Duh
If those are “our” allies, “we” deserve to die too.
You are not (hopefully. Is your last name Windsor? Hapsburg?) Your government. They do not exist for the people. You are being taken advantage of and identifying with them is not reasonable or healthy.
Another idealist who has mixed up “allies” with “friends”. We don’t need to approve of anything our allies do, or even think that they’re good guys. All that “allies” means is that they would have our back, just like we have theirs, against our common enemies.
This is because “enemies” in this case refers to nations like Iran, who hate our entire way of life and aren’t afraid to say they would like to see us all dead. It doesn’t matter to them if you think your government represents you (I certainly don’t) but if you believe we deserve to die, why not offer yourself up?
You might get lucky and get thrown off a building, or a fairly quick beheading with a dull-ish knife. Or less lucky, and get roasted alive in a cage over a fire, dragged behind a vehicle, or hacked into various pieces.
“We” are allies with Israel only because they are a shining light of sanity in a region that could otherwise be classified as “batshit insane”
First off, “Israelis” are like the most backstabby traitorous monsters ever. They have no loyalty, read a fucking history book.
Second: theres a fucking line. Stopping genocide is near the top of my priorities list. The point of having allies would be to do that more easily.
The Iranian regime (mostly not the people. This is very much an imposed government that rules by terror, which means its one small political faction, ans they hate me ~20% less than their american counterparts, who ate more numerous and want me equally dead. They don’t care, and pre revolution were very very culturally similar to Americans. Even now it’s recognizable) hates the American government because they supported the mad king who tortured the shit out of everyone, who they overthrew during the revolution, and continue to support the “Israelis” who are an existential threat. Yeah they’re islamofascists, but half the US government is christofascist, basically the same assholes. If I met a random English speaking Iranian, we’d probably be able to get along. If I didn’t, we’d probably shrug and ignore each other until somebody ran a translation app.
Yeah the Iranian goverent wants me dead. So does about half the american government. There are places I can’t go. I have friends in red states that are scared of being lynched (burned on a cross or hung as strange fruit, bit functionally the same). Weirdly though; the Iranian government, while homophobic as fuck, has state healthcare and isnt transphobic about binary transitions, so outside of the coasts, they’re kind of better. Not, like, enough that it matters to me, but marginally less bad.
“Israel” is even remotely sane
Okay youre tripping pretty hard, talk to me when you’re sober and have any clue what the fuck youre talking about.
And who the fuck is this “we”? The us governments interests are not aligned with my own, or anyone I know.
Edit: week old account, 1100 comments. This person is perpetually online. They don’t know anything about real life
defending the Iranian government
you didn’t read what I fucking wrote did you? but you do make a pretty good case.
nothing makes Hezbollah look reasonable quite like hezbarrah does.
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attacks iran
expect them not to retaliate
Of course they expect them to retaliate. That’s the entire point. That’s why they attacked in the first place. They need Iran to be the boogeyman counterpart in the “help! We’re being threatened!” narrative that keeps the extremes in power in both Israel and Iran.
Everyone was very much screaming guy when Israel hit the Iranian embassy. It’s not who’s doing the bombing that’s the difference, it’s that Israel and Hamas bombing each other happens all the time, Iran and Israel bombing each other is a step level up in intensity, evidence of a growing war.
You can’t really condemn Hamas (for offensive actions. Their treatment of other Palestinians isn’t great). They’re killing Nazis. Killing Nazis is always good. If you think otherwise, you are a Nazi.
The problem with that thinking is how easy it is to call someone a Nazi (or a terrorist) to legitimize killing them.
Add it to the list of words that mean nothing now.
Says the Nazi.
There is no such thing as being a Nazi because of pointing out other people’s possible misuse or abuse of the word Nazi, just like pointing out the misuse of the word Terrorism doesn’t make one a Terrorist.
I’m starting to think that you’re hasbara making clearly derranged uses of the word Nazi to indirectly help Israel by diffusing the point that Zionist behaviour is the closest there is to Nazi behaviour in the modern era.
If you’re not, then try and not reduce your thinking to one word slogans that you hammer into everything (like a square peg on a round hole) so as not to destroy valid arguments for yourself and others.
no but Nazis do like to accuse other people of being themselves, and live five have here. its like their favorite trick. and I’m so done being gentle about their identities. I’d like to avoid splash damage to other groups, and I think I’m reasonably careful to do that, but explain the difference between a modern Zionist (I’m aware there are historical versions of the idea that involved zero genocide, and haven’t existed since before television was a thing) and Nazi in practical terms. not in their nitpicks or specific stated goals, but their effect on the world. now explain why I should care about the feelings of either group.
yeah nothing makes hezbollah seem reasonable quite like hezbarah does. they’re using modern tactics to try and murder truth and fuzz everyone’s decision loops.
So by your logic, because I disapprove of massacring people dancing at a music festival I am now a Nazi, and you consider my murder to be a good? Is that your pitch?
They were colonists dancing on stolen land. The people they stole it from killed a few of them. They probably still had the keys to the buildings from when they lived there.
I don’t really care what they were doing. You could make a moral argument if I killed them, but anything any Palestinian does to any “Israeli” is always justified as self defense, under any conditions.
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This is so factually incorrect its blatant racist propaganda.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Legislative_Council
Hamas is a political party that electorally seized control of Gaza in in 2006 from Fatah, Yasser Arafat’s party. Fatah rebelled against Hamas in 2007 and lost. Yet Fatah is still has 45 seats to Hamas’ 72 on the PLC.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)
Nice little excerpt for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)#2006_Palestinian_legislative_election
The Palestinian legislative election took place on 25 January 2006 and was judged to be free and fair by international observers.[18][19] It resulted in a Hamas victory, surprising Israel and the United States, which had expected their favoured partner, Fatah, to retain power.[20] On 27 January, US President George Bush said “the landslide victory of the militant Islamic group Hamas was a rejection of the “status quo” and a repudiation of the “old guard” that had failed to provide honest government and services”.[2]
That last line from Bush is surprisingly correct. Hamas is effectively the Palestinian branch of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Their primary tactic is actually charity work by feeding the abundant poor people of Gaza and radicalizing them from there.
Nothing you said conflicted with any of my points, lol
and were not even elected, they literally just took control
The Palestinian legislative election took place on 25 January 2006 and was judged to be free and fair by international observers.[18][19] It resulted in a Hamas victory
They’re thugs, they don’t represent Palestinian, but by giving credence to their organization
Literally the most popular political party in the West Bank and Gaza.
Do you believe in justified massacres more broadly too? Would Sahrawis slaughtering Moroccan settlers or Kypriots killing Turkish settlers also be good things?
I think theres an active ongoing genocide, and the lives of the inhuman monsters doing it cannot be a concern if you want it to stop.
everything else has been tried and tried and tried. the only fix left is killing them until they can’t. not until they promise to stop; they’ve shown their promises are worth less than nothing. until they can’t. until there are no more veteran or military age “Israelis” who aren’t crippled (i mean missing limbs, not bone spurs. ‘cannot run or accurately fire a weapon by any stretch of the imagination’ crippled) left to continue the genocide.
and then we, as a fucking world, need to do something token to making it up to the Palestinian people. start with returning every inch of their land, building them all the infrastructure bombs we bought have destroyed over the years, offering them free educations in every university in the world, and doing whatever the PTSD treatment equivalent of the fucking Berlin airlift is.
Who is the arbiter of when there is an “active ongoing genocide”? Who do you trust with the authority to kill and cripple entire populations? What happens when the Israelis are defenseless and the Palestinians come for revenge? Will that be a genocide? Should they be killed and crippled too?
prickly question, big question, but not relevent here: in this case, you dont need an arbiter; they all brag about doing it. they’re not even hiding it anymore. lookupany Zionist shutzstaffel butcher’s social media, you’ll see video evidence, posted in public by the guilty party. their command structure says it. their prime minister says it. its in the songs they teach their vile spawn. they dont just deny it; they shout it from the mountaintops so loud it could damage my hearing.
the “Israeli” needs to be killed or crippled to stop them from killing Palestinians. at the end, there must be no such thing as an “Israeli”.
what the Palestinians do to any “Israeli”, or what they decide to do to these masses of non-persons on their land his nice it’s returned is up to them, and I can make no moral judgment.
they could, as many likely will, jack themselves off about forgiveness, and make an effort to raise the remainder or ship them off to international relatives or something. I think that would be foolish, but its not my place to say.
they cod shackle them in cages and become the go to global spot for organ transplants, and I’d applaud their practicality.
they could dig a giant hole, and put every last one of them there, or grind them up for fucking fertilizer, and finally make that bullshit about ‘making the desert bloom’ ever so slightly true.
the point is I dont care. once you surrender your humanity, it is gone. you no longer count as human. the effort to kill you may not be worth it, but your deaths moral cost changes, irrevocably, to zero-or less.
I think you are worst then nazis for celebrating the events of October 7.
It’s neat how ‘western media’ is more than America. You know that, right?
Yes. What is your point?
Can you give us some enough examples of “western media that is more than America” calling out the genocide with the right weight and not playing the “we don’t think what you are doing is wrong but we have to save face to retain the illusion of credibility” game at the moment? Even BBC that first said it wouldn’t take part in sided labeling of groups openly said they caved in to the pressure of calling Hamas terrorists in their news about them, all the while Israel was bombing hospitals, housing units, aid delivery locations and trucks, ambulances, children and teens moving back their houses for food, shooting elderly people pleading for their lives?
Fucking hypocrites you all.
Reuters and the Guardian, two primary Zionist outlets that have massively pushed israeli propaganda over the last 6 months and are famous for their favourable language for israel…
That’s your source? Here is The Guardian today filled to the brim with propaganda. "Iran attacks, warns israel about “retaliation”. Classic Zionist reversal of cause and effect. Somehow Iran is the party destabilizing the region now.
And Reuters of course features videos of the main IDF Hasabara spreader just talking. No video footage of the missiles. Exactly what we need to see shove that propaganda in my face baby.
Have you noticed how the articles keep mentioning the Oct 7 first, something that happened 6 months earlier, then goes on the passively call “Palestinian deaths” and not tie to Israel directly, in their titles at least? That is what me and all the people are criticizing the western media about. Direct perpetrators and blame is pointed when it is Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Houthis, or any other Muslim population, and indirect, passive voice is used when it is something the western politicians support. Even goes as far to picture only structural damage rather than how hundreds of people are found killed by Israel’s unproportionate, deliberate and zealos attacks most of the time.
France24 is the only foreign news channel we get over here in MiidleOfNowhere South Africa (because reasons), and I’ve been watching their coverage of Gaza with interest. If their “news” is to be believed, the bombs falling on Gaza and the bullets raining down on Palestinians trying to get food from aid trucks is spontaneously created out of thin air and not launched or fired by anyone.
Western mainstream media is as hasbara as fuck.
This world is not binary like your “smart” memes.
Sure! Shades of grey! Iran’s government sucks; I hope every day that the people rise up and hang them. But genocide is bad. The only way to stop a genocide once it’s in full swing is to kill the fuckers doing it until they literally cannot continue-not until its not worth it, until they can’t.
And this was shitty people who work for assholes who deserve to die killing vicious inhuman monsters comitting every warcrime in the book and double checking to make sure they’re at 100% completion each month, then posting about it on social media). These are some of the worst most vicious monsters humanity ever produced (not that they’re still human), and anybody who tries to kill even one gets points in my book. There is no amount of dead perpetrators of genocide or chattel slavery that is unacceptable, and no condition of killing them that is unacceptable. So maybe this is the one time its not cool to shit on the current Iranian regime?
For those who are still under the illusion there is equal coverage of both sides;
Isreal bombing Iran got one front page spot for one day. People “died” passively,
Irans counter attack got the front page for three days straight. And we now see words such as “Attack”.
You know it’s really interesting how all the Zionist vitriol and pro Biden onslaught disappears on weekends and it’s the takes that subscribe to consistent logic and ethics that rise to the top…
I guess the fact that the word Nazi was part of Ashkenazi should have been a warning…
The US seriously needs to halt all export of weapons to Israel. They’re enabling them to start a massive war and painting a target on themselves in the process.
I’m assuming the US wants to have some proxy wars in the Middle East though.
why? this is literally only bad for America, both economically and foreign policy wise.
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I’ve said this before, but I believe Israel is eager to use their nukes and the US is appeasing them. It’s the only way I can wrap my head around this.
I’m probably wrong, and am not professionally informed.
Israël has nukes?
Yes.
Great, just another mentally unstable world leader that can start nuclear war at any given moment when they finally completely lose their sanity.
Double stranded as usual.
Leadership of my country has been calling for a ceasefire and reduction of violence since the beginning. Great to see that we’re lumped in with the Americans regardless.
Country that murders school girls vs country where it’s fine to be openly gay
Last time I checked israel killed more school girls than every country in the world combined for the past four years.
Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict
And israel doesn’t allow gay marriage
And israel blackmails gay Palestinians into becoming spies
Any information that might enable extortion of an individual is considered relevant information. Whether said individual is of a certain sexual orientation, cheating on his wife, or in need of treatment in Israel or the West Bank – he is a target for blackmail.
If you’re homosexual and know someone who knows a wanted person – and we need to know about it – Israel will make your life miserable.
If you did any more stretching you’d become a kite lol
Despite Israeli incompetence at warfare their values are much more tolerant than murdering school girls for taking their hats off, stoning girls for being raped, murdering people for leaving their religions. Not even touching the whole idea of martyrdom where the muslim culture glorifies suicide murder.
No other culture has this. None. That’s not something the west needs fixing - it’s muslim cutlure that needs to unify and reject these absurd and evil ideologies and finally drag themselves into 20th century.
Oh look there it is You’re just here to spread blatant lies and islamophobia.
Israel is the party that has a child murdering problem
You’re conflating war casualties with cultural incompatibility on purpose to dismiss my point with your sad strawman which leads me to belive that you’re either extremely ignorant or you’re an useful propaganda idiot. Do not reply to me and enjoy steweing in your pointless anger like a loser you are :)
Last time you checked?
Iran hangs Kurds by construction cranes on such a scale some crane companies stopped sales.
Just Google Iran public executions. You people are full of shit and hypocrites. Yes, yes you’re anti western, so just go to Iran and let’s see how fast you’ll reverse your opinions.
Did I claim Iran did not do that? I pointed out that his positive claims of israel in his “vs” were completely false. Not sure how that makes me the hypocrite.
You’re anti western, so just go to Iran and let’s see how fast you’ll reverse your opinions.
Apparently being an islamophobic Zionist means you can lie about the crimes against humanity committed by israel and when someone calls you out they are a “pro Iranian hypocrite”.
One of the core foundations of Fascist propaganda is that when you are critical of the acts of the Fascists they always (yeah, always) claim that you’re a supporter of one their enemies.
One could spot that Zionists were just traditional Fascists well before all this because they’ve always used such extreme “you’re with us or you’re with our enemies” framing.
OK tankie scum
Gaza isn’t a separate country but I thought they were pretty homophobic, at least a bit more than Israel. Neither has gay marriage so I’d say neither really wins there though Israel is like so far ahead of Gaza in the killing kids department, I don’t think Hamas could kill that many kids even if they had nukes.
The country that literally invaded Israel to murder civilians during cease fire could not murder more people with nukes?
Man no amount of intentional satire could top this unintentional stupidity. Well done! 👏 👏 👏
Israel’s child death count is basically unbeatable at this point as I said.
You need some history lessons
Israel acts on behalf of Western colonialism. It is just one step removed from the direct colonialism of the 19th and 20th centuries. The hypocrisy is not that hard to understand. It would be simpler to understand it as just another Crusader kingdom.
Israel will run the same course the Crusader Kingdoms ran before it. From religiously motivated to geopolitically necessary to the eventuality of becoming a liability and then collapsing. We are just witnessing Israel tip from geopolitically necessary to a liability, it is happening but not yet. Of course, there will still be the Christians zealots like Mike Pompeo who will support Israel even if it meant a nuclear apocalypse.
