The European Commission wants Member states to ban cigarettes, e-cigarettes and heated products tobacco from outdoor areas, according to new recommendations published on Tuesday (17 September).
But how are you supposed to smoke at home when smoke detectors are required by law already and cigs keep setting them off? Not everybody lives in a gaff with a balcony or in a house with a garden behind.
Plus, I don’t like smoking at home either. Just glad I got a balcony for that.
I sure as hell don’t like breathing secondhand smoke while I walk down the street. If you want to breathe petroleum that’s on you but do it where you don’t give secondhand cancer to others, thanks.
Smoke detectors don’t respond to cigarette smoke, unless you cram one smoker per m² in a room and have them all smoke half a pack, with all windows shut.
I have seen indoor parties at flats with smoke detectors, which never went off, despite heavy smoking indoors. Meanwhile something burning on the stove set off the detector, as it should.
That’s the neat part, you’re not supposed to smoke at all.
They can’t ban cigarettes outright, yet. But they can make sure it isn’t publicly visible, cool, or easy to do anymore.
Smokers are supposed to be forced into enclosed, limited rooms just for smoking, separating it from all other activities.
The goal is to break the cycle that gets young people to start smoking.
Show me the statistics of how many people got cancer from second hand smoke in outdoor areas. I’ll wait. Just make cigarettes fucking expensive, like in Australia. Make smokers pay more for health insurance. There’s so many good ways of handling the problem. Banning people from smoking outside is just fuel for all the fucking Nazis that would love to get rid of the EU. And it won’t change a fucking Thing. As if people would suddenly stop smoking outside when no one is around.
It’s not a competition. Banning one thing doesn’t require all other potentially worse things to also be banned first. Besides, in many places open drunkenness and drunk driving are already banned.
It’s not a competition, but priorities. The things that kill innocent people should be higher on the list when writing new policies. Clearly the policies in place are not enough to prevent drunk driving and people are still getting killed from it. It’s still a problem and has been a problem and we should focus on that more than we currently are.
If people are still driving drunk with it being illegal and we can’t even get that under control with current laws, how can we expect the new laws regarding vaping to be productive?
And tbh this is quite personal. I’ve lost a friend to drunk driving about every 2 years since I turned 18. My friend’s alcoholic father murdered him when I was younger. I’ve seen nothing good come from that shit and it destroys lives. I don’t see vaping as even remotely comparable to the destruction alcohol can do.
Sounds like shitty smoke detectors to me.
I used to smoke heavily for years, was always too lazy to go out on the balcony, sometimes forgot to open the windows for days and my detectors only went off once when I vaped so heavily my apartment looked like a disco dance floor (from fog machines).
I quit for several years and eventually started again, realising that quitting smokes is not for me. I’m living a fairly stressful life. I need my occasional 5 mins of peace and quiet every now and then during the day. Thank you very much.
But how are you supposed to smoke at home when smoke detectors are required by law already and cigs keep setting them off? Not everybody lives in a gaff with a balcony or in a house with a garden behind.
Plus, I don’t like smoking at home either. Just glad I got a balcony for that.
why don’t you like smoking at home, pray tell?
Not really a non smokers problem to figure out your addictions short comings.
I sure as hell don’t like breathing secondhand smoke while I walk down the street. If you want to breathe petroleum that’s on you but do it where you don’t give secondhand cancer to others, thanks.
Smoke detectors don’t respond to cigarette smoke, unless you cram one smoker per m² in a room and have them all smoke half a pack, with all windows shut.
I have seen indoor parties at flats with smoke detectors, which never went off, despite heavy smoking indoors. Meanwhile something burning on the stove set off the detector, as it should.
That’s the neat part, you’re not supposed to smoke at all.
They can’t ban cigarettes outright, yet. But they can make sure it isn’t publicly visible, cool, or easy to do anymore.
Smokers are supposed to be forced into enclosed, limited rooms just for smoking, separating it from all other activities.
The goal is to break the cycle that gets young people to start smoking.
Imagine having this attitude towards every other vice…
If said vice causes lung cancer I’m perfectly hapoy with that attidude.
Show me the statistics of how many people got cancer from second hand smoke in outdoor areas. I’ll wait. Just make cigarettes fucking expensive, like in Australia. Make smokers pay more for health insurance. There’s so many good ways of handling the problem. Banning people from smoking outside is just fuel for all the fucking Nazis that would love to get rid of the EU. And it won’t change a fucking Thing. As if people would suddenly stop smoking outside when no one is around.
I’d rather be near someone vaping than a drunk person.
The vaping I can walk away from, but a drunk driver could kill me.
I find public drunkenness to be more deadly and problematic than vaping, but that just my opinion regarding public health issues.
It’s not a competition. Banning one thing doesn’t require all other potentially worse things to also be banned first. Besides, in many places open drunkenness and drunk driving are already banned.
No, but they could at least show some consistency.
At the moment it is all focussed on tobacco and almost none on alcohol except during driving.
It’s not a competition, but priorities. The things that kill innocent people should be higher on the list when writing new policies. Clearly the policies in place are not enough to prevent drunk driving and people are still getting killed from it. It’s still a problem and has been a problem and we should focus on that more than we currently are.
If people are still driving drunk with it being illegal and we can’t even get that under control with current laws, how can we expect the new laws regarding vaping to be productive?
And tbh this is quite personal. I’ve lost a friend to drunk driving about every 2 years since I turned 18. My friend’s alcoholic father murdered him when I was younger. I’ve seen nothing good come from that shit and it destroys lives. I don’t see vaping as even remotely comparable to the destruction alcohol can do.
Then most certainly can ban it altogether, and as a smoker I wish they fucking would. Force my ass to not be able to buy them anymore.
Sounds like shitty smoke detectors to me.
I used to smoke heavily for years, was always too lazy to go out on the balcony, sometimes forgot to open the windows for days and my detectors only went off once when I vaped so heavily my apartment looked like a disco dance floor (from fog machines).
just open a window, my dude.
That would let it outside. Illegal.
Your problem, not ours. Suffer over your own addictions
Maybe try to not smoke. No need to say thank you. Say it to your lungs.
I quit for several years and eventually started again, realising that quitting smokes is not for me. I’m living a fairly stressful life. I need my occasional 5 mins of peace and quiet every now and then during the day. Thank you very much.
What do you need smokes for peace and quiet for? Go look at a tree.
Says someone that doesn’t understand the first thing about smoking or nicotine addiction.
Says someone who thinks they know anything about my life.
So you are or were a smoker? How many years?