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    24 hours ago

    This is how he “makes direct appeal to conflicted Muslim voters”?

    But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there.

    Full transcript text of the 1st oct debate

    I mean after this muslim Americans should be less conflicted about not voting for the selfadmitted Greater Israel supporters, sure.

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      13 hours ago

      Thanks for sharing a link to the transcript. Walz misspoke and conflated Israel for Iran. His response was vague but only asserted the need for steady leadership.

      Vance said he would support a preemptive strike from Israel:

      And we should support our allies wherever they are when they’re fighting the bad guys.

      The Jewish Chronicle certainly doesn’t think Walz is a Zionist:

      In touch with the anti-Israel segment of the Democratic base, Walz urged a Middle East ceasefire in March. And when 18 per cent of Minnesota Democrats cast protest votes against President Biden over Israel policy, Walz reacted respectfully: “Take them seriously. Their message is clear, that they think this is an intolerable situation and we can do more, and I think the president is hearing that.”

      https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/analysis/tim-walzs-record-on-israel-and-antisemitism-is-deeply-concerning-gpdbj6ut

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        You blue magas are incredible, they can say anything, do anything and you will still defend them. Ok then but don’t pretend that your genocide loving asses are on left of fucking Trump when Trump promise genocide and your liberal darlings not only promise but PARTICIPATE in genocide.

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        Walz misspoke and conflated Israel for Iran. His response was vague but only asserted the need for steady leadership

        this is either incredibly naive or intentionally misleading. his response was full support of Israel’s expansion as a necessity for US foreign policy.

        ‘Strong record of supporting the U.S.-Israel relationship’: a look at Tim Walz’s votes on Palestine as a member of Congress (15 Aug 2024)

        A review of Tim Walz’s time in Congress from 2007 to 2018 shows he supported multiple Israeli wars on Gaza, rejected the international consensus on the illegality of West Bank settlements, and opposed any unilateral declaration of a Palestinian state.

        Tim Walz: How does Kamala Harris’s VP pick view Israel, Palestine, China? (7 Aug 2024)

        In reality, though, Walz has never diverged from the party line of unconditionally supporting Israel, a position illustrated by his comments earlier this year at an event held by the Jewish Community Relations Council.

        “The ability of Jewish people to self-determine themselves is foundational … The failure to recognise the state of Israel is taking away that self-determination. So it is anti-Semitic,” he said.

        While sitting in Congress from 2007-2019, Walz voted to condemn a United Nations resolution that Israeli settlements in the West Bank were illegal.

        Walz has not spoken publicly on calls to divest from Israeli companies.

        Kamala Harris selects Tim Walz, pro-Israel Minnesota governor, as her running mate (6 Aug 2024)

        He also expressed support for Zionism and said those who do not recognize Israel are antisemitic this June at an event held by the Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota and the Dakotas.

        He traveled to Israel on a 2009 diplomatic trip to the Middle East during which he met with both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Syrian President Bashar al-Asad. He also voted with his party to allocate foreign aid, including to Israel

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          Lol. These articles are a little silly. The first article complains that Walz voted Yea on the purely symbolic H.Res.34 in 2009, along with 389 other representatives…

          I think you want Walz to be the bad guy. I refuse to idolize any politician, but calling Walz a Zionist is rich.

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            16 hours ago

            Greater Israel is a specific idea within zionism, zionism on steroids. While it’s definitely what Israel is going for, most zionists at least officially don’t espouse it because they still to try to pose as defending side etc. etc. So “Greater Israel supporter” is even worse than just “ordinary” zionist.

            He’s not only a zionist, he’s turbozionist, and all the blue maga here should turn into corncobs

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              OK. Zionism is a settler colonial project by definition. Its necessarily racist.

              So anyone who is a Zionist believes that they are superior than the indigenous population that they genocide or displace. Therefore, its hard to imagine a Zionist who doesn’t want to steal more land from the people around them who they think are lesser people.

              I mean, I guess there’s a sliver of folks that justify historic misdeeds, but its easy to see that the majority of Zionists would fall under this “greater Israel” ideological umbrella.

              So my point is, just call him a Zionist and be done with it.