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Love that you think Israel and Ukraine are opposite sides. Who exactly is backing Palestine? Supplying them with weapons? Iran and Russia…
Israel sells and donates weapons as we speak. It dosn’t need any help. Their industrial capacity allows them to produce more weaponry than they use in Gaza.
It dosn’t need any help. Their industrial capacity allows them to produce more
Arguably one of the reasons Israel gets so much aid is because it ensures that the Israeli defense industry can’t compete, functions as a subsidy for the US defense industry (and the millions employed by it), and serves US strategic interests. Relevant article:
Ie. US aid to Israel isn’t charity.
Similar story in Europe, despite Trump’s complaints. As Ukraine illustrates, Europe currently lacks the industrial base to support Ukraine on its own, arguably also due to an over-reliance on the US and its defense industry. Luckily Trump, and more recently republicans blocking Ukraine aid, are likely to accelerate a pivot away from the US and towards increasing self-reliance.
The fediverse is often very left wing, but I get the idea that this is a huge blind spot for a lot of people here. US foreign policy starts to make far more sense, when you realise the US defense industry is sizeable, employs a lot of people, and the US administration defends that industry accordingly.
Certainly makes far more sense than this idea that the US is somehow beholden to a tiny little country like Israel, chooses to give it billions in military aid because pro-Israeli pressure groups are somehow incredibly powerful, or that politicians support Israel out of idealism, while almost entirely ignoring the fact that a lot of them are backed or lobbied by the defense industry. Certainly no one goes around complaining about the pro-Taiwan lobby, when discussing US military aid to Taiwan.
Maybe, just maybe, it’s not a coincidence that we’re supporting Israel, but that we actually might be the bad guys other places as well? Just a thought, since your post is titled after the slogan of genocidal nazis and our role in the lead up to the Russian invasion https://youtu.be/LL4eNy4FCs8
Russia has killed over 30,000 civilians during their invasion. How can you justify that volume of carnage?
I believe the Ukrainian people have a right to their land, and to defend themselves against foreign occupation.
Russia is the aggressor, they need to stop this war and remove their military from Ukraine.
Who is justifying it? To be clear, I’m a pacifist and against all wars. I too believe in the self sovereignty of people. One can be against the Russian invasion, and for the peace treaty that was about to be signed spring 2022 before Boris Johnson came and put a stop to it. Diplomacy over bombs I say, but our leaders see it as economical to fund a war against Russia, so that Ukrainians can fight it instead of our guys. I think that’s inhumane and unwise.
I am also against war. I guess I was confused when you implied the US are the bad guys in the invasion of Ukraine.
There is only one country that can stop this war, and that’s Russia. To me that makes it pretty clear that if anyone were considered the ‘bad guys’ of the situation it would be them.
It doesn’t help that you’re repeating a lot of ugly propaganda; “Slava Ukraini” has been a popular phrase since the Ukrainian war for independence in 1917, it’s not a Nazi expression, it predates the existence of Nazis. It’s a symbol of Ukrainian sovereignty and resistance to foreign aggression.
