• snooggums@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    Republicans pull in a consistent number of votes every election because they have the hateful moron brigade as a consistent voting bloc. Dems win when there is higher turnout because they motivate people to show up, and lose when there is lower turnout, but they sure as shit aren’t appealing to the hate brigade.

    Trying to be reasonable and polite with Republicans like Liz Cheney is what took the wind out of the sails of the Harris campaign. They did the fucking appease everyone bland bullshit and lost. That is what you are saying is the right thing to do.

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      15 days ago

      Your theory is just a theory, and a weak one. The evidence suggests that the election was mainly just a backlash against inflation and immigration, as has happened across the world to parties of all stripes. Not much could have been done to avert the outcome. But it is also clear that a bunch of voters were pissed off by what they perceived as Democrat excesses on cultural issues, and apparently many of those people were in swing states.

      More generally: “just turn out the base” is usually a losing strategy in democratic politics. For a simple reason: the cost of turning out your own base is that you will fire up the opposing base and turn them out too. To be sure of winning an election in democracy, you will need to get your hands dirty and persuade people. In practice that will mean tacking towards the center and making compromises.

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          15 days ago

          I’m European who votes green. I want the Democrats to win because that is better for the world. If only you did too.

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            I voted for Harris as a way to vote against Trump and Republicans like I do every fucking election despite Dems constsntly shooting themselves in the foot every election where Obama didn’t run. You know, the two elections where they promoted actual hope and progressive change instead of pandering to the fucking centrists and did extremely well and the only time I actually wanted them to win.

            Of course the Republicans obstructed the shit out of that attempt at change and the country learned nothing.

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              15 days ago

              like I do every fucking election

              Good. That gives you the right to whine (which you seem pretty good at).

              The Obama presidency produced some decent outcomes. In democracy you never get everything you want. I agree that the bank-bailout moment was a terrible wasted opportunity.

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                Bailout was under Bush. Obama could have reversed course a few months later when he was sworn in, but I’m pretty sure that would have caused an even worse economic disaster.

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                That gives you the right to whine (which you seem pretty good at).

                You are pretty good at being confidently incorrect.