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  • When asked if people would rather have some innocent people get jailed, or some guilty people set free (in court).

    The majority said they’d rather have some innocent people get jailed. Which to me seems like the worst of both worlds. An innocent person behind bars. And the real criminal is free.

    I don’t have a source. Something I remember seeing maybe 10 years ago but it stuck with me. Feel free to ask those you know the question, see what they answer.





  • Now you’re just being childish. I neither said nor implied that my country was better than yours, I don’t even know where you are from. I didn’t care to ask, because frankly, it’s not relevant.

    Paraphrased. Ag-gag laws exist in many countries besides the US, and I can 100% guarantee that your region is just as abusive to your farm animals as the US or Australia.

    That is a very big claim. Do you have anything to actually back it up with? Or are you just throwing words around hoping something will stick?

    You’ve given the answer as to why do dogs get a pass, but that’s still not an answer as to why should dogs get a pass.

    You’re asking for an opinion. And you already know my opinion. I even said as much in the very first comment you replied to me in. I said “It makes plenty of sense why most humans are against eating an animal that has protected us for thousands of years.” and “We protect them, they protect us” which is just a way of saying “We protect each other”.

    Unless your ethical framework is really as base as thinking “me liking something makes it good and me not liking something makes it bad,”

    Again, you’re just being childish. I’ve done nothing but engage with you in good faith and answered your questions honestly and thoroughly. Notice how I don’t attack your views, or person, just because they are different than mine. You’ve taken every opportunity to argue that dogs should be food. And I have not once attacked you or your views.

    What does this even mean

    If I were to say, Damn, you know what. You’re right. I agree with you. What have I agreed to? I have agreed with your argument that dogs shouldn’t get a pass. That we should eat them. Which I assume, you are against. You don’t want people to eat dogs. You don’t want people to eat any animal at all, correct?

    But I disagree with you. I do think dogs should get a pass. For all of the reasons I’ve stated throughout. So again. Your worst case scenario, is that someone agrees with you. Which is an interesting course of approach, to say the least.


  • This might come as a shock to you. But the US isn’t the world. And I already said I detest deplorable living conditions of animals, so, what do you want? Do you want me to say the US meat industry is bad? Sure. It’s bad. The US style of democracy is also bad. Doesn’t mean I think we shouldn’t have democracy in my country just because the US managed to fuck it up.

    people have had positive experiences with cats and dogs doesn’t make them less deserving of a youthful slaughter than any other animal.

    If that’s your opinion that’s your opinion. Most of us that don’t want to eat dogs, would disagree and say that it does make them “less deserving” (your words) of slaughter.

    You’re the one that asked why. And I’ve given you an answer as to why. Though it’s obvious you were never interested in the answer. You just want to create conflict by arguing our opinions isn’t good enough and that we should want to eat dogs as much as other animals.

    So, your worst case scenario, is that people agree with you. You don’t think that’s a bit counter-intuitive?

    If you ever wondered why people are so adversarial when it comes to vegans. You’re the reason.




  • Your methodology is incorrect to begin with, it doesn’t matter what numbers you use if the method is wrong. You’ve been basing everything on that hundreds of people are all condensed into 1 plane trip, rather than viewing it as hundreds of people making 1 plane trip, per person. yet, when counting the deaths, you don’t count it per plane trip, you count it per person.

    Your methodology is skewing your results by the hundreds. And that is independent of whatever numbers you’re coming up with.

    The scientific community in collaboration with statisticians have over the past 20 years, all come to the same conclusion, that you are significantly less probable of dying while traveling in an airplane or train, than you are in a car, and especially a motorcycle.

    If you genuinely believe, that you’ve made a breakthrough that goes against the result of every single published and peer reviewed report on the topic, I implore you to publish your results and have it peer reviewed by the various institutions that also collect data on the topic.

    But I’m not going to argue with you about this. You are free to believe whatever you want. Personally, I’m going to believe that the data and methodology from a professor, with 39 years of experience and several published papers on the economics, and safety in the transit sector, is correct.



  • As to the first part, “why we permit torture”, I’m not gonna go into that tangent, I’m just gonna say I don’t think we generally permit torture of animals, (I know there are some exceptions and I dislike them as much as you do) and I too find it reprehensible when it occurs through inhumane living conditions. Our opinion of what constitutes inhumane living conditions might slightly differ. I also really hate that we allow some specific breed of dogs, and would love to see them banned, especially those that are prone to various painful conditions. Regardless, as to the latter part of your question

    why should dogs get a pass

    I can probably give you some answer of why I think, historically, dogs get a pass, though I fear you might find that answer equally dissatisfying, So I’ll share a bit of my personal experience with dogs if you care to read it. And perhaps it will showcase my position on the matter. And I’ll preface it with saying I don’t think this experience is unique to me. I think there are lots of people with similar stories.

    I grew up with dogs. Literally, from the time I was born, until I was 16. Started out with two samoyeds, one adult, one puppy. And I’ve been told numerous times. How incredibly protective those dogs were of me. Following me around, making sure I didn’t get into danger, alerting my dad the moment they thought I needed help. The younger pup, by the time I could walk, were following me around everywhere I went, making sure I didn’t get hurt, and when she thought I might go somewhere I shouldn’t, like, towards the stairs. The basement, The door leading outside. She’d herd me away in another direction. Placing herself between me and where-ever she didn’t want me to go. My dad “jokes” about letting the dogs babysit me while they were outside in the stable. Except it’s not a joke. They really did. in hindsight, probably not the best parenting. But that’s another topic.

    Anyhow, that is my reason, for why I view dogs, as mans best friend. I can only surmise, that dogs have exhibited this behavior for far longer than we’ve kept records. Thus earning themselves a very high status in our societies. At least in Europe and societies that are heavily influenced by Europeans.