Is there any timeline on 4.0? I figure it would also take awhile for 4.0-supported end devices to come out as well.

No problem with waiting if your network is stable. I’ve heard that the Conbee 2 is better than the Nortek combo I was using, so that makes sense.

To be clear, since I didn’t mention it in my post, my Zigbee net was mostly fine, just kind of sluggish if anything. My Z-Wave net is what needed the most help, for some reason. It was both sluggish and sometimes nodes would appear as “dead” and unavailable for awhile.

Again, I have never claimed that it was cheap. I cannot emphasize this enough, I don’t think you’ve acknowledged my original statement and think I’m somehow saying it’s affordable for everyone.

I brought it up because it saved my fucking life to move here, and I could not afford Seattle. The peninsula gave me my “in”, because it was cheaper than Seattle. Just like it did for many others in this community. There are plenty that have made it work, aren’t in significant debt, and yet aren’t people I would call rich.

It’s honestly been super insulting the way you continue to minimize the community out here, first by basically calling it a drug fueled hell hole (missing the fact that it’s a national issue), and then by saying the community out here is fleeing the peninsula.

Yes, you need to be careful to not fall into homelessness, but I don’t think you understand how bad it is outside of WA for queer people. We unfortunately live in a hyper capitalist country, where it’s already extremely expensive to live anywhere progressive. This deeply affects queer people who then get trapped in red states where they’re not tolerated, they also can’t get a job, and therefore they also fall into homelessness. Not only that, the outright prosecution of trans people in red states is only serving to cause more trans suicides.

Do you think someone is going to just move here without preparing, just because I said it was cheaper than Seattle in a comment on Lemmy? That they’re going to drop everything, including their brain, and move here at any cost? It’s really not as black and white as you’ve been trying to make it.

It’s not weird to suggest, at all. At no point did I suggest that it would fix anything. I was following the same thread as OP in that the surrounding areas are also welcoming and slightly cheaper. I have never, not once, called it cheap.

I think you are stuck on solving the systemic problem and are unable to see that there are plenty of queer people that can afford to live out here but not in Seattle, people just like me. People who escaped the very red states mentioned (again, like myself and several of my queer friends), to live on the peninsula. Some of whom have gotten support from these charities as well. It’s not a black and white issue. If you hope for it to be completely solved for everyone, it’s not going to happen overnight. It’s systemic, shitting on the communities that make it work is not how you gain what you want.

The opiates are actually not relevant to this discussion at all, so it’s ironic that you brought that up and now are saying that my suggestion was irrelevant. You seem to have some sort of idea about life out here, and that it hasn’t changed at all. Do you live out here to know what it’s like, or have you lived here within the last 10 or so years?

My goal was to say that this side of the sound is cheaper than Seattle and still has a growing queer community. It was never to claim that either option was cheap, that’s not something I ever claimed. In fact, my very first reply to you said that it was still expensive.

You replied that most queers are trying to get out of the peninsula, and my experience (as a trans person) has been the opposite. The community is growing out here, and so are the queer support groups (especially local non profits).

That’s it. Stating those two things was my goal. I’m still confused why you brought up opiates when that is also very much a problem on the other side of the sound.

In case you don’t know what 1.0 does:

What is it?

A temporary derogation from the ePrivacy Directive that allowed (but did not require) providers to scan private messages of unsuspected users for potential child sexual abuse material.

Is scanning mandatory?

No — voluntary. In practice used mainly by unencrypted US services such as Gmail, Facebook/Instagram Messenger, Skype, Snapchat, iCloud Mail, and Xbox.

Does it touch encrypted messages?

No. End-to-end encrypted communications were never scanned but providers could deploy client-side scanning under this law.

Status today

Back in force. After expiring on 4 April 2026, it was reinstated on 9 July 2026 when Parliament failed to reach the absolute majority of 361 MEPs needed to reject the Council’s fast-tracked “new” law. Only 314 MEPs voted to reject it, so suspicionless mass scanning is permitted to continue until 2028.

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/chat-control-overview

I didn’t mean to claim that it was cheap. I said cheaper than Seattle.

It doesn’t resolve the issue, for sure. But my original point still stands that it’s cheaper over here.

Yes, it’s its own. But it still is on this side of the sound, and much of the same things apply to it, and it is a cheaper option than Seattle.

My friends aren’t all in Kitsap, no. Many of the friends I have live in Sequim and Port Townsend. They’re both queer friendly areas with prominent queer communities.

I’m trans and live out here. None of my queer friends are trying to leave. The times have changed. Kitsap is especially queer friendly now. Not sure what fent/heroin has to do with anything - Seattle has that too.

The board is chaired by Trump (and I’m pretty sure Trump appointed his yes-men as well)

but how else are they supposed to be slyly misogynistic and call women dumb?

And the average annual earnings for people is very low, further amplifying the price

I don’t know why you’re being hostile. Options are good, I didn’t ever say that it would fit every scenario.

Thanks. It is truly an honor to live here, so close to my favorite national park. I wouldn’t live anywhere else in the US.

I also don’t drink, but I bought some liquor just for occasions like this.

The peninsula is another option. While still expensive, it’s definitely much cheaper than anything else on the other side of the sound

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Of course the industry doesn’t want it. But the workers are the ones with the power to make it happen.

100%. I moved here from a red state to escape that BS, although I moved to the peninsula and not Seattle itself due to cost.

I think everything else being expensive is also a factor.

As an aside, as a medical patient, I can confirm that the cost without taxes is significantly lower. In many cases, it’s nearly half off, just for showing my medical card.