Learning and practising shooting doesn’t have to be for appearing in an action movie … in fact, the realities are very different.

I had no interest until a friend coaxed me into trying out some of his antique guns, and I discovered that I find it a lot of fun. The only time guns are likely to be actually useful for regular people, is in a situation where rules, laws, and normality do not apply.

Yeah - I started reading, eyerolled a bit, and then after thinking slightly more deeply realised that this is well written for people who have grown up being taught that the mere thought of guns is evil and scary.

I only started to get into shooting properly last year, but having been around guns, and with my wife being handy with a rifle, I’ve not had that intrinsic fear.

I don’t understand why anyone would feel unsafe having ammo in the house though. That being said, we have a proper gun safes (one for rifles, one for pistols) and a separate secure box for ammo, so just having a gun in a lockable box seems far too lax by comparison :-/

“Ironically, I think we’re starting to hit the point of recreating the substance of the meme.”

Ok, but no tongues.

Yes, I think we both understand each other’s point of view now. Perhaps I’m more wary of self a identification because I’ve seen other groups (sports and spiritual) accept self-description and then get turned inside out through it :-/

Ah ok, yeah sorry I didn’t get that at all :-/

The worst possible state for a sock to be in? Moist.

Fair enough - for me, if someone is happy to have a typically binary gender expression / presentation, then it doesn’t make sense for them to identify as non-binary.

I think there needs to be something, otherwise the thing to advocate for is to have no labels at all

I think you missed my joke there … never mind!

Don’t your feet get wet?

I had a coffee just before bed last night, really helped me drop off :-)

That’s a fantastic comic, thank you :-)

All interesting questions … my comment you’re replying to was pretty shit, but you’re adding good depth.

I’d say that enby is a catch-all term, and rejecting gender altogether is (or can be/should be) included in that.

Given the context of how people in most western societies grow up, especially those of us who were punished for not following gender norms, it’s pretty easy to come up with a list of things which are considered typical, and where a threshold for being considered definitely of a binary gender would be for their society.

My first reply was “feels like enby erasure” … your last reply before this one was talking about enby erasure from the same point of view.

If you’ve got tied up like a pretzel over this, that’s your problem … as I said earlier, I lashed out and that was unreasonable of me. Now you’re the one being unreasonable - I’ll have you know I’m not a “miserable little gremlin”. I’m actually quite large.

So now you’re arguing on my side. Thank you, I was beginning to think you’d never understand where I was coming from

So you’re not defending the rights of “female-light” enbies, just everyone else.

So, you’re frustrated with “female-light” but fiercely defend “female-heavy”?

Because I was talking about 2 dimensional characters in a cartoon (which I now understand was not originally drawn to be about enbies, but didn’t realise at the time) … you are a 3 dimensional person with your own thoughts and feelings.

You took my comment regarding erasure, which came from my feelings, and wanted to shame me into silence. So of course I lashed out, because I’m not always emotionally mature.

I feel crushed under the weight of everything in mainstream media being hyper binary, so when I see a meme about enbies that presents people as being androgynous it’s like rain to a desert flower. Seeing a meme talking about gender diversity with two images of idealised hyper binary characters has the opposite effect.

Lesson learned. Next time I see something that upsets me, I’ll be good and not say anything.

ok, that’s fair - change “gender assigned at birth” to “either traditional binary gender”

I wasn’t talking about you. Why would I be talking about you?

Ah ok, I thought it was an original comic

Point taken, and thank you for not being an ass over a difference of opinion!

So, to be clear, you’re saying that someone who is happy to present as their gender assigned at birth, behave like their gender assigned at birth, who doesn’t feel dysphoria, and is socialised as their gender assigned at birth can be non-binary?

Why would I think that anyone owes me androgyny? I just think that if someone is shown as living a happy life in a specifically binary manner, they aren’t representative of enbies.

Of course people can present how they want, or how they need to in order to survive, and will still be valid. This comic didn’t give me that impression.

Big ditto on wanting androgynous representation … or blending outside of the binary representation!