If they are avoiding it because they are “afraid” then yes. If they are doing it because fuck Putin then no

You never really answered the question though. What would have to happen for immigration to be a problem in your eyes? I’m just trying to get you to open you mind rather than sitting on your team. Look at the situation objectively first.

No its basic supply and demand for both wages and for housing. If you have a limited supply and demand increases prices can only increase. Is supply increases and demand the same wages go down.

Denmark has run the numbers for crime by country of origin which is direct proof. But then places like Sweden also have indirect proof like now having to keep a record of grenade attacks when they didn’t 20+ years ago.

Or the everyone is just ignoring the issue.

Rhetorically because this conversation is going to go nowhere. What would need to happen for immigration to actually be an issue?

Because people that tell us low wages (not GDP increase but working class wages for locals), high house prices, and other things people mention like losing culture and crime increasing isn’t an issue. So what would it take for it to be an issue.

A lot of people, usually the rich that own businesses and land and can make money off immigration, say it’s not a problem. I think rather than choosing a side and ignoring the issues people should wonder what would be a bad outcome then looking at things after.

Pussy. If you not going to defend your family and your countrymen when it’s needed whats the point?

A lot of people have died to make your life better. It didn’t come for free.

I choose a supplier that is 100% green energy

Is that the guy that didn’t believe anyone when they told him the Germans were pouring through the Ardennes or was that the one before?

22 million people in the UK receive benefits. At some point we are better off moving to a UBI system.

Benefits that disappear when you start work just disincentivise work. The system needs a change and doesn’t seem to be working. Need something like tax breaks for businesses in areas with high unemployment. Or business that want to hire cheap exploited immigrants should be encouraged to first expand to areas that need jobs.

I mean grid as in utility built grid solar. Everyone uses the grid so everyone needs to pay for it. But mass development of solar in a field is always going to be cheaper way of building solar than niche solar panel installation on a roof.

There is no way you can get free solar panels installed on your house and connected up for free so there is a cost.

A large amount of this cost is labour. Utility scale solar has cheaper labour costs. As prices of solar panels goes down, relative cost of labour goes up.

I don’t see how rooftop solar will be cheaper than grid scale solar per mwh

Britain sold it’s empire and everything in it for cheap to the Americans all the while american manufacturing grew while Europe got destroyed.

WW2 was the best thing that ever happen to the Americans.

What’s the $per kWh for rooftop vs grid scale solar?

Communism is great. You can spaff as much money up the wall as you want. Doesn’t matter, anything you want can be done.

Then you wonder why there is no food in the supermarkets.

It’s weird that solar has become so cheap, especially in certain countries. China is trying to trade and give loans to as many 3rd world countries as it can and simultaneously it is struggling to sell all it’s solar panels.

Why isn’t China giving loans to 3rd world countries to build solar power plants?

It seems like a win win for Chinese panels to go to places like Pakistan and Africa.

Grid scale is usually the cheapest. I don’t actually see how rooftop solar will ever be affordable because grid prices are going to go down also.

Is the assumption that grid costs will be substantial enough that rooftop solar becomes the cheapest?

I’m getting a little more optimistic about liquid air storage.

Fundamentally energy storage doesn’t have to be great if energy is so cheap. If you would lose x amount of energy otherwise only saving 80% or 50% or even 10% isn’t really a problem if the cost is so low.

Right now energy is getting so cheap that these systems are now making more financial sense.

That’s not how air to air heat pumps work.

I don’t see how and air to air heat pump wouldn’t work.

Insulation needs to be solved yes. But if you heating your house with gas verse electricity if the output is the same then the result is the same.

Dignity is great and all but it doesn’t make houses when there aren’t enough. That’s two different problems.

We are on about new ones.

If you won’t accept the most basic, basic, basic ideas about economics. Then yes congratulations you can’t be taught something. I wouldn’t be proud of that.

Having lived in Australia and New Zealand and spent time in Chicago. British houses are horseshit.

Don’t even need heating in standard UK temps if the building is insulated. Air to air heat pumps are amazing, induction is amazing, no issues with electric water heaters.

Living in fucking 1975. But everyone’s ideal is trying to upgrade to a 1850 wood burning stove. Buy a fucking heat pump and some insulation.