Please stop reporting all OF models as spam. If a post is off-topic, report is as off-topic. If community rules forbid OF models from posting, report that. If a user is flooding a sub with multiple posts a day in a row, that’s a legit report as well.
Otherwise a post by an OF model is not in and of itself spam, even if it is made by a <ferengi>female</ferengi> with the temerity to control her own sexuality.
There is a huge difference between inconsiderate spammers, and adult performers linking to their work.
We all hate the blatant spam on Reddit, but spam is not a unique problem, and it was not invented during the rise of adult content creation. That’s why we have moderation. Know what makes moderation even harder? Abusing the moderation system.
Look, we have an opportunity here to create an active and ethical community of real people who love porn, and SUPPORT the people who create the thing we love.
Even if you never intend to pay for your porn, creators give away TONS of free material, and want to interact and build community here for free.
If you push out creators from every corner of the internet besides behind a paywall, what do you think will be left? I’ll tell you: the 1% of people who are not interested in monetizing their content, and a bunch of stolen shit (for as long as it lasts, until LemmyNSFW gets hit with DMCA takedowns left and right.)
If we went that route, and the site becomes swamped with copyright takedowns, admins here could decide ONLY OC is allowed to be posted, and then yall will have that 1% of people who don’t monetize to choose from. So, you can say goodbye to variety, and goodbye to finding someone who fulfills your particular fetish.
Is that the community you want to build? Sounds pretty oppressive to me.
Very well said. Talented OC creators (including sellers) are always welcomed at communities I moderate here (and on Reddit).
And I gladly nuke spam (very well defined by @hedidwot@lemmynsfw.com in comment ) and spammers (OC or not). Hoping we get better moderation tools and support soon here on Lemmy
Aw man, I’m just an exhibitionist that loves showing off and talking to friendly strangers on the internet, and you guys have been so nice 🙁 I paywall some stuff so I can make a little back to justify buying cute outfits lol, but I totally get the frustration with spamming and agree it ruined reddit. Of course I will respect if a community decides I’m no longer welcome, however I will point out that almost all of the top posts on gonewild here are OF models - so a lot of valuable and appreciated content would be lost. Perhaps significantly reducing the allowable posting frequency in the future once there is more content here (e.g 1x post per sub per user per week) would increase posting quality and relevance.
Reducing posting frequency is a great solution.
I think only once per week is a bit extreme, but something like, once per sub per day, and cannot share the same photo in the same sub again until somewhere between 1-6 months have passed.
This is the correct take. Is it any surprise that OF models generate a lot of nsfw content? Unless the users posting is too frequent, it’s not spam. If a painter links to their webpage on a post where they share their art do we cry spam? Treating their content like spam entirely on the grounds of them being OF models is honestly pretty sex negative. Y’all should support the idea of sex workers having control of their own content.
I have a simple solution to this: If you are the moderator of your community, just put a rule in the sidebar disallowing OF links and references. Handle it on a per-community level.
I’m gonna be really blunt here, idk how it’ll be received, but: without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
I just see so many people on Reddit claim to only love “true amateur” content, but that content almost always gets hugely downvoted or goes unnoticed on the big subreddits. I think it’s because people who don’t profit from their stuff aren’t always trying to make content with the widest appeal possible. They don’t tend to care as much about being perfectly lit up so every nipple detail is visble. Or about getting the pose just right. Many won’t want to show their face. You’d think the clearly true amateur stuff would be more celebrated, but it seems people want to see women make huge amounts of pro-level content just for funsies. That’s not really realistic.
Edit: r/bigonewild banned OF posters and it turned into such a sausagefest that they changed their description to make it into a stated bi male centric community.
without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
Hear hear, why don’t people get this?
I’ve noticed that when people say they love amateur content, they really mean they love professional level content that they don’t have to pay for
Why do you assume all this shit is worth getting some cringy amateur content? I don’t even like amateur content when it’s interactive. Those thots can go make videos and sell them on their whatever site, but they shouldn’t talk to me like I’m stupid and thirsty, and they should stay the fuck out of my communities!
Re-read the original comment. Everyone on this thread is talking about OC (aka interactive amateur) communities. If you don’t like that, don’t go to OC communities. Also, you seem kinda unpleasant in general
The people who like popular porn don’t really go around announcing that they love professional-grade porn. They only do so when talking about the ethical consumption of porn, and their focus is on supporting people for their work, not the appreciation for the high quality or enjoying the financial transaction.
Announcing you like amateur porn is a statement about the flavor of porn you like, and it’s pretty clearly a minority opinion, given what we see reach the tops of the porn forums.
I pretty much only like amateur porn. But you know what? I’m not going to stop anyone else from enjoying the kind of porn they like. Why should I? If you like professional porn, great! If you don’t, that’s okay too. Neither side should judge the other so long as they’re not promoting harmful behavior of one type or another. There’s nothing wrong with making a living by getting naked, there’s nothing wrong with doing it for fun!
I dunno. Maybe I’m just being the salty OF girl, but it doesn’t seem like anyone at all (on Reddit, not here) is willing to do anything besides grumble about advertisement when the subject comes up. I see mods of nsfw subreddits get downvoted to hell when they say they won’t be banning Onlyfans users from posting, followed by tons of upvoted “where are the reeeeal women?” comments. The complaint comments get upvoted more than actual, perfectly good content posted by regular women. I just wish they’d be a little more supportive when those women do post, I suppose.
That being said, I totally agree that people should watch and make porn for whatever reason they please!!
I agree. Whether someone is “pro” or doing it because, the attitude should be supportive. Otherwise, the content will be shitty. It will only be dudes reposting weird as stock photos or stolen non consensual content.
It will only be dudes reposting weird as stock photos or stolen non consensual content.
Except for years that wasn’t the case on any of the gonewilds on reddit. You act like without OF people won’t have any access to porn. As if pornhub doesn’t exist, or the million other sites. Cam girls exist too. You clearly miss the reason for the gonewild communities and only see it as a place to act like you’re just some regular girl who’s being dirty. But you’re not, you’re a professional sex worker. There should be a space for OF workers to post their stuff, but it shouldn’t be every single space on this or similar websites.
You’re discriminating against the people who just want to share because it makes them and others feel good. You just want money. You can start as an amateur, but once it’s your job, you aren’t an amateur anymore and don’t get to act like you are, or participate in a community designed for amateurs.
The thing is, my ad block works on stated ads, but it doesn’t work on the subliminal ones such as OF.
All the power in the world to you for doing what you do. I have nothing against it. (I mean, I’m against capitalism in general, but you clearly own the capital in this situation). There should be places where OF women/men can post their profiles so people can find them, the problem is the fact that it’s everywhere that used to be more community and amateur based.
I think it’s fair to say that the gonewild subs/communities have been taken over by folks who are always wild, as it’s their profession. You wouldn’t see pornstars posting on gonewild, because they aren’t “going wild” in the sense of the basis of the subs, the old series Girls Gone Wild. The whole point was that it’s regular people (“hot” or otherwise) posting something risque to step out of their shell. That’s why you’d see a lot of cropped faces and such.
What happened is a few people like the one asian woman who’s name I just can’t remember, who were more attractive than most other posters, started doing it a bit more than just as a dirty little secret. It became the main part of their life. It became a job. Then due to her and others like her, people started getting the idea of OF, where anyone can skip the first part and just start selling sex pics/vids.
I’m not blaming her specifically, especially since I don’t remember her name, but there was a definite change in the atmosphere of the gonewilds and by the end of the recent reddit fallout, most of those subs were 98% OF posts. You could click a username and see the same pic, with what had to be auto-generated titles, to as many possible NSFW subreddits they could find.
A big thing now as well is that the non OF posters are more self conscious in general, and might only be trying to post a few selfies a month. When they see what they competition is like (OF posts), they get discouraged. How is anyone supposed to be into them when all they see are these megahotties and yunghungguns all over the place. amateurs don’t have the lighting and cameras to even compete with the lowliest OF posters. You can act like you support the amateurs as a creator yourself, but then you post next to them and try and act surprised? It’s just a basic difference between amateur and professional (even if it’s not corporate) content.
Honestly I think the biggest issue is that OF is a subscription model which forces workers like you into the shitty situation of having to continually make new content and finding new subs. Imho this ends up making the content very quantity over quality, and forces you all into having to advertise aggressively while being unable or unwilling to pursue normal advertising routes.
Just looking at the top cummunities (lmao) here, most are part of the gonewild trope and they’re all filled to the brim with OF posts. again, you can’t go wild if being wild is your job. You’re just wild.
“Unwilling to pursue normal advertising routes”
Please tell me what those are 😂
We are banned from most platforms. I do YouTube, Twitter, IG, Twitter, and here. I try to build community and if some people want more of me, they can subscribe. I don’t want to spam the communities I create on socials, but I also have to earn a living because I devote a lot of energy and time to content creation 💕 I think this is a happy medium.
But really…where do you suggest I advertise! I truly am all ears
The anti-OF posters sound exceedingly hyperbolic. I’m certain there’s a reasonable way to ensure OF/ManyVids/Fansly models are encouraged to post free content here without it consuming the entire site.
But posters demanding that all OF models be banned entirely sound hella unreasonable.
Go make your own community and ban OF models from it
Definitely. I think everyone is just trigger happy from the cesspool that so many NSFW subs on reddit became. To me there were two problems.
The first one was just actual spam. Same pictures posted to every sub possible, multiple times a day, all with generic bullshit titles and the same type of “engagement”. That doesn’t seem to be a problem yet, and is a simple one to solve.
The second, more subjective one is that OF content is just…bad. The same type of pictures, the same videos, all just not appealing. What happened to camgirls? What happened the actual realism of amateur content? That is subjective though, I don’t think you can moderate quality besides upvoting/downvoting.
Thanks for saying this…♥️ I’ve been saying this too. Obviously spammy posts within the communities is a turn off. Having a link in our bios to try to earn because we are posting FREE NUDITY is reasonable and necessary.
it’s not free though, if you only do it in return for an advertising space. It’s a business and means nothing to many people.
I personally get no value from your posts. It’s like a beggar playing an instrument on the side of the road to me. I never asked for it, and would never enjoy it nor pay for it.
Of course it is still spammy when 9 out of 10 posts are ads by 9 different women.
That’s valid you’re welcome to feel that way. If your preference is no sellers, there will just be much less oc content💕 if you’d rather see dudes posting stuff that’s fair
It’s not OC content to me, when you make money with it.
I have already jerked to a few dicks here, because there weren’t enough real women lol.
Sellers might as well not exist. To me they are meaningless. Like an ad on a billboard. Ok, cool. Don’t care. It doesn’t matter how hot they are, and that their OF is $0.01 with no PPV. I’m just not interested.
OC stands for orginal content
This I’m totaly fine with. I hate being advertised to… really really hate it… … but if i see something i like and there is a subtle link in the message or a comment by OP that is totally fine.
What if an OF model posts off-topic content? For example, boob pics to an ass-centric community? To me, that’s just lazy advertising, tantamount to spam, and should therefore be reported.
yeah, that has nothing to do with her OF and is because she is posting out of topic
I made a clickable list of sellers, if you wish to block them: !sellerblock@lemmy.world
It’s only like 100 for now, so doable by hand. For now, it includes some other types of sellers that you can skip, of course.
This way there is no need to argue, or to harass mods with false reports. Keep in mind that they do this work voluntarily.
Refer to above list for quality content 😅🫶
IDK sounds like spam to me.
It is most definitely spam. Only fans should be banned from the Internet.
I wouldn’t go that far as to say it needs to be banned from the internet. That’s not at all what I’m saying. I’m just tired of every other post being someone try to sell me something. And by every other post I’m talking about reddit. I just don’t what what happened over there to happen here. Like, OF creators, just be realistic in what you post. One or two here or there is one thing. But some bots just spam all the communities like a dog in heat. But also feel this is more on the OF creators to police there own and point out the bad actors that are bot or spamming unrelated community. I don’t there will be one solution that makes everyone happy. I’m just asking to keep the spamming down. I really don’t care if you’re an OF creator, more power to you. But I’m not buying so to me it just looks a bit desperate to try drumming up business in this way. If you were selling well enough already, you wouldn’t feel the need to be advertising yourself on Reddit or Lemmy.
Man if this is the official stance for this sub I’m fucking out. Y’all enjoy your fucking thirst trap ads lol
But who cares if it’s technically an ad? You still get the porn content you previously wouldn’t get. No one’s forcing you to pay for the extra stuff.
First because it’s annoying. I sub to things for content, not links to “better content” behind a pay wall.
If I wanted that I’d just go get on OF and never come to places like this.
Second, it’s disingenuous. I just reported another post as an example as to why it’s bad for content. If they can scrape OF subscribers off of here, why would they reveal anything for free? Post a pretty face pic and throw their OF link in so you go spend there.
Some of us are exhibitionists AND like money lol
And you can do both where they belong. It’s advertising, spam, whatever you want to call it.
This isn’t a paid service or subscription platform. If I want to seek you out to give you money I’ll do that, but I’m not here for it and it should have its own sub dedicated to that type of content.
Why would I post nudes on a spammy OF community? You’re saying I should be excluded from every community besides that kind just because I have a Fansly.
It’s advertising. I don’t care for advertising. It’s like if all food subs were posts by Kraft, Taco Bell, Lays, Ben & Jerry’s, etc.
If people want to advertise, that’s fine, there are avenues for that. r/gonewild got ruined by being filled to the brim with OF ads. Other communities had to be made to recreate the space that gonewild used to be.
the basis for r/gonewild was a place for REDDITORS to “go wild”, not for women who are paid to do so, to then create a reddit account so they can have a place to advertise their product (their photos and videos) for free.
r/Gonewild has specific rules about no OF posters. To the point that even if your post doesn’t mention OF, but you have one linked in your profile you get banned.
It made GW worse. Not just because OF creators have better, higher quality content that fits that sub, but also because as I pointed out once to them it was a dumb idea to block people who in most cases of OF creators don’t even monetize, or only do custom content. Otherwise the account is free to follow. Which is an important differentiation since diversifying where you post and where people can find you is a major thing.
How is it worse? It’s back to it’s roots and literally back to the reason for the sub in the first place. You know how many “free” OF pages consist of spam about special videos and offers? I’d say practically every single one.
as far as higher better quality, I’d disagree. There’s something special about seeing someone who you think you could have a chance with. Who could be that quiet coworker down the hall, or a nurse you’ve seen. What if it’s your friend’s hot older sister you always had a crush on? Those women might not have been egirls, or would ever have the time, or money to spend on good lighting and photo editing. They’re regular fucking people, just trying to get off, not get paid.
Wanting to spread your product around to get people to pay for it is called advertising. It’s nothing new.
I can assure you none of those things is true.
First off, by pushing out OF creators all it did was make it so that an underground network was created on there instead. So the person you were seeing would have no mention of OF but would be a bot account meant to spam you with messages. It also created an issue where we saw so much damn editing of pictures and people posting others content to get around the rules. Hell, half of the posts were basically OF creators who made a second GW dedicated account that didn’t mention it but was designed to funnel views to their main.
Also, in the world of posting online it all becomes advertising. Even if not for money it’s all about putting yourself out there and getting validation, which requires people interacting with your post, which requires you to effectively advertise by posting certain content, doing things at certain times and coming up with fun titles. If you didn’t want advertising and a fair system to see all people then either having one GW account that posts only the content of the sub, or two having a system where everyone posts with the same title. The metrics show dumb titles work and it’s why if you scroll GW for any length of time you’ll notice that the same rehashed titles get used over and over.
Lastly, the people with OF accounts are also regular people, and often just trying to get off as well.
If OF takes a hold of Lemmy like it did Reddit I’ll just defederate from Lemmy all together. Nobody has time for 50 identical posts from the same user only to finish with that user’s posts just in time to pick up another OF user’s 50 identical posts. OF and their repost bot Army ruined entire communities on reddit and they for sure will do the same here if allowed.
If spam crossposting becomes an issue, we will address it. The reports we are referring to here are mainly against people who are daring to just post links in the body or comments to their OF. It’s not mass crossposting.
