Rejection of democratic elections, rejection of national self-determination by non-Bolshevik parties, rejection of attempted secessions from the Russian Empire by force, attempted invasion of former Russian vassals, suppression of native national movements who failed to lick Bolshevik boots, mass repression by secret police of national expressions of discontent…
Inside of communist currents, there are often left/right destinations.
That’s not what I was questioning.
that Ukraine should not exist as a separate state or republic and that the fight for socialism must take precedence over the nationalist dreams of random intellectuals (like in the case of Ukraine, which unlike Poland or Finland, hadn’t been a separate nation of it’s own before being part of the empire.)
Jesus fucking Christ, what
Ukraine was much more of a nation prior to Muscovite domination than fucking Finland.
Disclaimer: this does not reflect my opinion
“This doesn’t reflect my opinion, I’m just using it as a response when questioned about what I was saying”
How utterly lovely that you decide, in support of Russian imperialism, to quote a German attempting to speak authoritively for the people of Ukraine, who clearly did not understand that they were not a real nation. Good thing they had a German intellectual simping for Russian hegemony (because it was painted the right shade of red) to set them straight, bless their little colonial hearts!
I guess detached activists from the imperial core explaining to colonized people why their nationality isn’t real is completely okay if the colonized folk aren’t POC.
I say this as someone who does not dislike Rosa Luxemburg in general, and that even very progressive people are still necessarily constrained by the thinking of their time, but goddamn if that isn’t one hell of a late 19th century/early 20th century take.
I thought you were confused about the left/right wing communism thing, also Luxemburg was Polish herself… -_-
Who lived in Germany most of her adult life, was deeply involved in German politics, and was a naturalized German citizen.
Christ, do I want to ask if you’d apply the same standard to naturalized American citizens who talk about how colonized countries aren’t ‘real’ and should just knuckle under to foreign oppressors?
A great many things; every other time I see you, you’re in a dumb argument because you’re misunderstanding or deliberately misconstruing the other’s point.
A great many things; every other time I see you, you’re in a dumb argument because you’re misunderstanding or deliberately misconstruing the other’s point.
Okay. Limit yourself to this conversation, to the comment you responded to.
Rejection of democratic elections, rejection of national self-determination by non-Bolshevik parties, rejection of attempted secessions from the Russian Empire by force, attempted invasion of former Russian vassals, suppression of native national movements who failed to lick Bolshevik boots, mass repression by secret police of national expressions of discontent…
That’s not what I was questioning.
Jesus fucking Christ, what
Ukraine was much more of a nation prior to Muscovite domination than fucking Finland.
“This doesn’t reflect my opinion, I’m just using it as a response when questioned about what I was saying”
How utterly lovely that you decide, in support of Russian imperialism, to quote a German attempting to speak authoritively for the people of Ukraine, who clearly did not understand that they were not a real nation. Good thing they had a German intellectual simping for Russian hegemony (because it was painted the right shade of red) to set them straight, bless their little colonial hearts!
I guess detached activists from the imperial core explaining to colonized people why their nationality isn’t real is completely okay if the colonized folk aren’t POC.
I say this as someone who does not dislike Rosa Luxemburg in general, and that even very progressive people are still necessarily constrained by the thinking of their time, but goddamn if that isn’t one hell of a late 19th century/early 20th century take.
I thought you were confused about the left/right wing communism thing, also Luxemburg was Polish herself… -_-
Who lived in Germany most of her adult life, was deeply involved in German politics, and was a naturalized German citizen.
Christ, do I want to ask if you’d apply the same standard to naturalized American citizens who talk about how colonized countries aren’t ‘real’ and should just knuckle under to foreign oppressors?
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You really need to work on your reading comprehension
What do you think I misread?
A great many things; every other time I see you, you’re in a dumb argument because you’re misunderstanding or deliberately misconstruing the other’s point.
Okay. Limit yourself to this conversation, to the comment you responded to.