• JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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        Don’t make the same mistakes he did. Cultivate a revolutionary culture among the people before you attack their enslavers and be sure not to stay in the armory any longer than necessary.

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          You should read the John Brown Isekai… basically him dropped into a medieval slave economy, and learning from those mistakes, but still being very much not a modern leftist and true to his historical real self. The tactics are almost ours at first, and the early organising and primitive democracy is something we’d do in smaller groups and early days of revolutions, but it diverges all too soon. Still good though, a revolution story is a revolution story, and a bourgeois revolution is better than feudalism and literal chattel slavery.

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              Yeah, it really is good! I’m definitely not fully up to date on it, been a while since I checked the website, and it did get significantly less exciting when it went from “John Brown, of all people, leading guerrillas in the mountains” to “prototypal American democracy in former feudal cities”. But it’s still good, and tbh I don’t think I’d enjoy it as much if he was too out of character and portrayed as an honest to god Maoist… as fun as those types of revolution stories are.

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    Are we actually sure this is a lynching? Like yeah cops lie as often as they talk, but is there any reason to think it other than the idea that a black person in the US isn’t likely to hang themselves from a tree?

    I’m not doubting it could be a lynching. I just don’t want to spread this info if there is no evidence yet.

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        Even if they did it themselves? I already addressed the idea that it seems unlikely a black person would hang themselves from a tree, but no matter how unlikely it is that doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

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          Further consider that there’s no note and I don’t think we have evidence of him being suicidal. People do kill themselves without notes and people do hide their depression, but how many times do we say “well, all these things that are consistent with a lynching are possible in a suicide” before occam’s razor forces us to accept that it being a lynching is a much more reasonable conclusion?

          Was there any evidence, even retrospectively, of suicidality or a mental health crisis leading up to his death? Did something awful happen to him or a loved one? did he express being depressed even indirectly? Does this being a suicide make sense to the people close to him?

          Black men sometimes get lynched with no real antecedent in their own lives (e.g. they may have no real connection to the killers), but no one deliberately kills themselves without antecedent. There is no neutrality here; if there’s an overall absence of evidence, that leans unambiguously toward it being a lynching.

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      but is there any reason to think it other than the idea that a black person in the US isn’t likely to hang themselves from a tree?

      Broken limbs. Cops didn’t investigate. Pretty obvious.

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          It wasn’t unprompted, they were responding to a question specifically about the internet rumors that there were broken bones.

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            I believe he was talking about the coroner mentioning the social media rumors. Which seems a bit weird when they play hard-ball with taking questions and giving out any information but go “No, no, no broken bones here, none at all” with…once again, the history of the nation, the state and the police in both.

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          https://people.com/body-black-student-found-hanging-tree-college-campus-11810983

          "Bolivar County Deputy Coroner Murray Roark told the Mississippi Free Press that he “saw no broken limbs” on Reed, but did not elaborate due to the ongoing investigation.

          “I don’t think I should probably discuss this any further than that, my opinion is that it was self-done, and I have reasons for that,” Roark said.

          Should be huge alarm bells there. It’s not rare, but uncommon for people to hang themselves in public. Two curious points are immediately being brought to mind with the history of the nation and state behind the scenes.

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            https://wreg.com/news/mid-south/coroner-says-no-evidence-of-assault-after-body-found-hanging-on-ms-college-campus

            “Based on the preliminary examination, we can confirm that the deceased did not suffer any lacerations, contusions, compound fractures, broken bones, or injuries consistent with an assault,” the coroner’s office said in a statement released Tuesday. “At this time, there is no evidence to suggest the individual was physically attacked before his death.”

            I guess the county coroner could be covering up a lynching, but he’s also a black man and it seems unlikely given the family will just have an independent autopsy done. Surely the family will make a statement if they saw the body and there were obvious signs of an attack.

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                Not only that, but he could be under threat of being fired and losing his position, or maybe he does not care about the person at all and see his corp colleagues as his true brotherhood. Or the coroner may simply be incompetent. Too many possibilities.

                The US being the US, the police or any institution cannot be trusted in matters of racism and hate crime against minorities. It’s just like the fruit of the poisonous tree principle, but applied to the whole US institutions, and specially in the case of Southern US institutions.

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                For sure, which is why I said it would be unlikely and not impossible. Maybe it’s more likely than I’m thinking, but idk I just grew up in a town not unlike Cleveland and not that far from it. It might not even be a majority white population, which is true in a lot of small southern “cities” (they aren’t large cities, populations of ~15k)

                And I mean Candace Owens exists so anything is possible

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                  I mean, being people, and Americans at that, black people run the gamut, including those complicit in the white supremacist criminal punishment system. Which a coroner knowingly enters, usually having other options in medical fields. According to some random site, Ohio coroners are elected positions, so they are even members of the political class!

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    and people STILL say that racism vanished in the 90s. fucking hell, this is horrifying. that poor man.