Can we all agree that both sides of this debate suck?
Pauline Hanson is a racist bigot we shouldn’t be giving the time of day to; but as a tolerant society, we should also not tolerate or allow burka and niqab in a similar fashion to how we don’t allow motorcycle helmets and other headgear which fully obscures one’s face?
Yes, to clarify, I did mean wearing a motorcycle helmet while walking into a public or commercial space like a bank, supermarket, shopping centre etc.
I have no problems with hijab, shayla and other open/face head coverings as a self-expression of religious modesty - but at a point that ‘modesty’ is either no longer a personal choice (ie. imposed by pressure from family, friends, spiritual leaders), or begins to negatively impact public safety.
Such garments are no longer fit-for-purpose in an a progressive society such as ours.
While I’ve only visited a few cities in mainland China, the food delivery drivers that I have see have all worn open-faced helmets like this:
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As to why, apart from it being generally anti-social - it’s mainly because it’s a massive security issue, as the individual in question cannot be identified in the event of assault, theft or order crimes.
Did you come over in winter? I am in Urumqi and its quite common to see open-faced helmet with a scarf/necktube/jacket pulled over the mouth/nose, I also saw it in Korea and Vietnam.
You have cameras which presumably can see their bike liscense.
Then again, masking in public due to illness/air pollution is common over here, it would be weird to ban just delivery drivers from covering their faces.
In this case no, I skimmed the video but in this case I don’t see her doing anything wrong
It’s a bit ironic that the greens lady in the video is so loud and outraged about someone wearing a burqa, maybe because most people feel this way, just not about one particular person but all who wear it.
Unfortunately Nu Greens members have tied the party into a very odd spot, progressive and regressive simultaneously which is leading people to leave to labor, resulting in one of the saddest poll results ever:
The latest Guardian Essential poll also found One Nation’s primary vote has doubled to 13% since the May federal election, putting support for the hard-right party above the Greens.
Can we all agree that both sides of this debate suck?
Pauline Hanson is a racist bigot we shouldn’t be giving the time of day to; but as a tolerant society, we should also not tolerate or allow burka and niqab in a similar fashion to how we don’t allow motorcycle helmets and other headgear which fully obscures one’s face?
…these are allowed. In fact, it’s illegal to ride a motorcycle without a motorcycle helmet.
I’m guessing you’re talking about special or private places like banks, but that’s not what Pauline Hanson was proposing, at all.
Yes, to clarify, I did mean wearing a motorcycle helmet while walking into a public or commercial space like a bank, supermarket, shopping centre etc.
I have no problems with hijab, shayla and other open/face head coverings as a self-expression of religious modesty - but at a point that ‘modesty’ is either no longer a personal choice (ie. imposed by pressure from family, friends, spiritual leaders), or begins to negatively impact public safety.
Such garments are no longer fit-for-purpose in an a progressive society such as ours.
Why? Delivery drivers across Asia do it.
While I’ve only visited a few cities in mainland China, the food delivery drivers that I have see have all worn open-faced helmets like this:
As to why, apart from it being generally anti-social - it’s mainly because it’s a massive security issue, as the individual in question cannot be identified in the event of assault, theft or order crimes.
Did you come over in winter? I am in Urumqi and its quite common to see open-faced helmet with a scarf/necktube/jacket pulled over the mouth/nose, I also saw it in Korea and Vietnam.
You have cameras which presumably can see their bike liscense.
Then again, masking in public due to illness/air pollution is common over here, it would be weird to ban just delivery drivers from covering their faces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4oe1EXro6s
In this case no, I skimmed the video but in this case I don’t see her doing anything wrong
It’s a bit ironic that the greens lady in the video is so loud and outraged about someone wearing a burqa, maybe because most people feel this way, just not about one particular person but all who wear it.
Unfortunately Nu Greens members have tied the party into a very odd spot, progressive and regressive simultaneously which is leading people to leave to labor, resulting in one of the saddest poll results ever:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/oct/01/australians-back-labor-albanese-emissions-target-while-one-nation-support-doubles-guardian-essential-poll
Congrats to the greens, you played yourself