- The !asklemmy@lemmy.ml thread: https://lemmy.ml/post/45040130
- The !worldnews@lemmy.ml thread https://lemmy.ml/post/45067752
- The most wretched one, the lemmy.world thread https://lemmy.world/post/44762557
Fill in your lib bingo cards (they are all free spaces) its all on display (slightly) paraphrasing:
- slavery wasnt that bad, ever heard of the HOLOCAUST? The genocide created solely to eradicate jews and did not target anyone else that mattered[1]
- “Pointless” semantic squabbling (the point is ofcourse to draw attention away from the topic at hand)[2]
- but china[3]
- the west is actually taking a stand against oppression olympics[4]
- the west are actually the ones who care about international law[5] (said by a german
) - german claims to be part of a non-slaver country[6]
- Holodomor[7] china famine[8] were as bad as the holocaust and the trans-atlantic slave trade
- black people arent that innocent either sweetey[9] [10] [11]
- This is only about money[12]
- I didn’t do it, so I shouldn’t pay reparations[13]
- slavery is just human nature[14] [15] and we have more important things rn[16]
- this is ancient history and not really all that relevant now[17]
out in full force
If Hitler had just stuck to killing nonwhites there would be a statue of him in every square in Europe
western liberals have absolutely zero problems with hitler murdering domestic and foreign communists, as well waging genocidal warfare on the peoples of the ussr. in fact, it gets celebrated more and more openly.
the slavic or romani victims or the political prisoners who suffered the same or even worse abuses in the same camps by the same fascist parasites as the jews don’t get to be immortalized in western literature or film or music or other arts.
despite the fact, that racism against slavic peoples was (read: is) at the very core of hitlerite ideology, westerners never as much as acknowledge it. instead, they celebrate as thousands, if not millions of slavic people die in a conflict caused by western capital. instead of at least feeling shame for flooding all of those countries with blood, they instead have been spreading hatred and harmful stereotypes to such an extent that they don’t even register doing it anymore. i don’t even want to mention their hideous lies about the red army.
despite the fact, that the hitlerites successfully exterminated essentially all of the romani population throughout much of western and central europe and came dangerously close to reaching this goal in eastern europe, anti-romani racism seems now to be just as common as life itself.
the role of communists resisting the hitlerite tyranny is consistently played down, if not outright ignored, with some reactionarys even growing brazen enough to call them traitors. the goal is to portray communism as something foreign, from which “the nation” needs to be protected.
the average european zionazi is thus trained from birth to never admit that slavs and communists, not jews, were the primary victims of nazism, both in numbers as well as chronologically.
tl;dr:
Eurolibs have been mask off since at least 2016, when I first had one tell me to my face that Hitler would’ve been a “great man of history” if he didn’t go after the Jews. More and more they are doing the thing where they separate Nazi Germany from Hitler to praise the genocidal German armies fighting ebil 1984 gommulism in Eastern Europe before Hitler ruined everything by doing the Holocaust (single-handedly, apparently).
I noticed this when I visited the US Space & Rocket center in Huntsville AL several years ago. It largely commemorates the Apollo program which was designed and operated by several Nazis including Werner von Braun. However in all the displays, the word Nazi only appears once, in direct relation to Hitler. Everyone else was just a “German soldier” etc.
Pretty disgusting but a clear result of someone trying to avoid the “are we the baddies?” thought despite embracing and celebrating Nazis and Nazi shit.
A more humorous aside but they have some ridiculous story about why and how von Braun surrendered to the US rather than USSR, basically saying that he imagined at the end of WWII that the US would offer better funding for his research.
Yes I’m sure that was it, and not the risk of being held accountable for being a Nazi by the USSR. Dude was a fucking rat but they can’t acknowledge that.
He was in the same position as Oscar Schindler but instead of helping people escape or avoid being killed, he gleefully chose to profit from their slave labor. That’s why the Nuremberg Defense didn’t work. We have plenty of examples of people who resisted. Everyone else was an accomplice who knew about what was happening and decided the money was worth it.
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More and more they are doing the thing where they separate Nazi Germany from Hitler to praise the genocidal German armies
It is worth mentioning that this was a popular stance in West Germany for basically its whole existence.
I had a German neighbour claim that “Hitler was a smart leader” and that the Syrian refugees entering Europe at the time were “not real refugees, unlike us who escaped communist east germany”
I think it would be difficult to establish that communists were a greater target when most of the communists killed would have probably also been killed if they were liberal non-whites in a country invaded by Germany (and many in the USSR were). See all the massacres in Poland, for example.
In the eyes of the european powers his only unforgiveable crime was failing to destroy the USSR
c.f. Churchill
“Whataboutism is good and fine when I do it in defense of literal slavery”
Without reeducation, a lost oppressor waits to opress again.
God bless you for looking at them and thinking “reeducation”. /srs
because I saw amf on reddit say “slavery is human nature”
These are the same people calling communists authoritarian
slavery wasnt that bad, ever heard of the HOLOCAUST? The genocide created solely to eradicate jews and did not target anyone else that mattered
Bet most of these guys like Werner Von Braun despite him be a slaver during the Holocaust
obligatory Tom Lehrer song
I wonder when the White Chinese movement will recognize its problematic origin in Von Braun
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I said in one of those post but I’ll repeat: I fucking hate white people.
Every time I think to myself that I can’t hate white people more than I already do, they go ahead and prove me wrong
Crackers gonna cracker
They have to defend it because the trans atlantic slave trade was one of the very first things capitalism invented
They’re all rushing to “BuT oThEr CuLtUrEs HaD sLaVeS tOo” as though Roman slavery was the same thing as chattel slavery
A bunch of 4chan wannabe reddit rejects spouting racist and ahistorical beliefs that even most liberals don’t subscribe to? And these cockroaches want to pretend they represent the mood of the countries they pollute?
Lemmy has become an echo chamber for chuds who were too dumb for reddit
And these cockroaches want to pretend they represent the mood of the countries they pollute?
I’m going to be up front here, I am
and these aren’t fringe opinions. Especially german historical knowledge is “bismarck built the nation with his own hands (colonization was just what people were doing because they didnt know any better), hitler killed the jews (this was the worst thing to ever happen ever), but germany got denazified (gobless the USA) then the west won against the commies (they just were so incompetent there wasnt even a fight) and thats how history has come to a happy end”.Agreed, that shithole called Germany would be the exception, but those racist destiny-esque takes definitely aren’t popular outside of central and eastern Europe, where the majority of these neo-nazi stans come from
oh thats actually kind of reassuring to hear
Does nonce Island not say the same?
unlimited forced-reparation and humilitation on the EU and Angloss
when i saw the eu excuse was, “uhm well aktually this is oppression olympics and surely it wasnt the most bad thing uwu” i knew this would be the redditor rallying cry
Europe is just Reddit: the subcontinent.
If it’s ancient history why not fucking acknowledge it, since it doesn’t matter now?
lemmy.ml needs to be more tankie
There is no need to allow discussions where liberals defend the slave trade, wtf.
i don’t know everything about history so i’m hypothetically open to the idea that somebody somewhere did something worse, or worse per capita, but they sure are making a lot of excuses for slavery instead of making cases for more distant atrocities being worse.
i also don’t think it’s useful to try to compare these things, that’s some
shit where they try to equate a billion stubbed toes with one murder.It’s all beyond the pale and our modern world is built on a legacy of chattel slavery far moreso than it is anything prior to european colonialism.
Americans: “I’m sure the schools were lying about slavery being all that bad….but never ever EVER question that communism was anything but EEEEBIL! It makes ‘murica sad, and the gubmint is always right about everything! Conform like me or you’re not a freethinker!”
no american school accurately depicts the horrors of slavery. I went to highschool in a northern state that didn’t have its education system ruined by chuds and like once a month for years after graduating i’d learn some new depth to the depravity of american history.
if anything, they’re more likely to be “war of northern aggression” types who were taught enslaved people liked the job security and “free” food and shelter.
Stfu euro your continent is about to be fucking destroyed thank God for that.
May they show no mercy as they have shown us none
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I would not be surprised in the slightest.
