Severing ties with the US can take more than a year and cost thousands of dollars. But Paul, Ella, Margot and thousands of others feel they have no choice
There’s a lot I didn’t know about the process. It’d be interesting to get the view of US members of this community.
Someone getting elected nominated prime minister by their party in the runup to elections in Australia tells a lot more about the general populace there than it does in the US, because we’ve got first-past-the-post elections and you lot have ranked choice.
Edit: And there’s a fine for not voting in Australia; this is not true the US.
Edit edit: there, now it’s completely accurate as opposed to just accurate in spirit. Thanks for keeping me accountable, internet!
Riiiight, technically the party picks the leader. Of course they pick the leader in the runup to the elections, don’t they? And people vote based on that, don’t they, which is why it’s such a problem when leaders get ousted mid-term, like with Rudd and Gillard, right? And why Murdoch plastered Abbott’s face on the cover of his rag as Australia’s saviour, isn’t it, to get people to vote for his party who were running him as their pick for PM?
Or are you still kidding yourself that Australians don’t vote for the PM? The same way you’re kidding yourself that American citizens votes actually count for anything while the electoral college exists?
Nothing technical about it. We do not vote for the PM. Right wing captured media makes the removal of the PM a big deal, it’s not a problem within our electoral system to do it. You can keep attempting to put words in my mouth or twist things about, but what I said is undeniably the truth.
No clue why you’re going off about the USA. I’ve never spoken about the electoral college.
The party leader from the party forming government needs a mandate from the electorate.
As in, when you cast a vote to elect the party to choose a leader and form government, it’s reasonable and expected for that party to tell you what their proposed government would look like and who their leader would be.
Imagine if Labor won an election with Albo as leader during the campaign but then he stepped aside a few weeks later and the party made Wong the new PM. That’s not the structure that the electorate voted for, and although “technically” permissible the vast majority of the voting public would rightly feel that it’s not the government they voted for.
There are of course exceptions - hypothetically suppose there were a sudden unexpected invasion from one of our neighbours in SEA, a party might elect a “war time” leader to be PM. Given the dire circumstances, there might be bi-partisan support for the move, and the public might support it.
Generally though when a party elects a new leader as PM they’ll move to election as quickly as possible in an effort to receive that mandate from the public.
Im an Australian. Of course im accountable for the harm done to our indigenous Australians despite most of that occurring before I was born. The same is true of Japanese and German gen x.
If we elected a sex trafficking child rapist who initiated the apocalypse to fuel his ego then we would deserve to be judged.
Someone getting
electednominated prime minister by their party in the runup to elections in Australia tells a lot more about the general populace there than it does in the US, because we’ve got first-past-the-post elections and you lot have ranked choice.Edit: And there’s a fine for not voting in Australia; this is not true the US.
Edit edit: there, now it’s completely accurate as opposed to just accurate in spirit. Thanks for keeping me accountable, internet!
We don’t vote for a PM.
Riiiight, technically the party picks the leader. Of course they pick the leader in the runup to the elections, don’t they? And people vote based on that, don’t they, which is why it’s such a problem when leaders get ousted mid-term, like with Rudd and Gillard, right? And why Murdoch plastered Abbott’s face on the cover of his rag as Australia’s saviour, isn’t it, to get people to vote for his party who were running him as their pick for PM?
Or are you still kidding yourself that Australians don’t vote for the PM? The same way you’re kidding yourself that American citizens votes actually count for anything while the electoral college exists?
Nothing technical about it. We do not vote for the PM. Right wing captured media makes the removal of the PM a big deal, it’s not a problem within our electoral system to do it. You can keep attempting to put words in my mouth or twist things about, but what I said is undeniably the truth.
No clue why you’re going off about the USA. I’ve never spoken about the electoral college.
No, I think it is a technicality.
The party leader from the party forming government needs a mandate from the electorate.
As in, when you cast a vote to elect the party to choose a leader and form government, it’s reasonable and expected for that party to tell you what their proposed government would look like and who their leader would be.
Imagine if Labor won an election with Albo as leader during the campaign but then he stepped aside a few weeks later and the party made Wong the new PM. That’s not the structure that the electorate voted for, and although “technically” permissible the vast majority of the voting public would rightly feel that it’s not the government they voted for.
There are of course exceptions - hypothetically suppose there were a sudden unexpected invasion from one of our neighbours in SEA, a party might elect a “war time” leader to be PM. Given the dire circumstances, there might be bi-partisan support for the move, and the public might support it.
Generally though when a party elects a new leader as PM they’ll move to election as quickly as possible in an effort to receive that mandate from the public.
Yes those who vote for and against fascism are identical
I didn’t b say they were.
Then how is a person deserving to be judged by others’ actions? Doesn’t really add up.
Guilty by association?
Seems to be what they’re arguing for.
Everyone is held accountable for the actions of their compatriots.
This might be true but it should definitely not be.
Yes it should.
Im an Australian. Of course im accountable for the harm done to our indigenous Australians despite most of that occurring before I was born. The same is true of Japanese and German gen x.
All Americans are accountable for this crisis.
Ridiculous