- Trump “will not give a penny” more to Ukraine if he becomes president, Hungary’s prime minister said.
- That’s how Trump plans to end the war, Viktor Orbán, who met Trump at Mar-a-Lago, said.
- The Trump campaign has not said whether the pair discussed Ukraine during the visit.
Should the title not be “Putin’s ally Trump to end the Ukraine war is to totally cut off funding, says Putin’s closes (hopefully soon out of the EU and NATO) ally”
That’s a great way to encourage Russian election interference in his favor
To be more clear, if Trump manages to capture the presidency, I fully expect him to withdraw the US from NATO.
And the US leaving NATO would be absolutely, categorically, inarguably, and apocalyptically stupid.
I am not sure why people say that when Trump said, if they didn’t honor their commitments, we would leave.
Since the invasion, most countries have finally stepped up to pair their obligation. Funny how Trump was right.
No he wasn’t. His comments are a self fulfilling prophecy. If an alliance that is strong because they are united under the US umbrella has the potential leader of said alliance state he no longer feels he needs to back his allies… they must.
But:
- The 2% is a guideline not a rule
- They got to pay… who? The defence industry… it’s not a membership fee.
- many countries where already investing more
- spending more on defense is not simple, procurement takes yeeeaaars… so countries that started ramp up projects years ago are now in the position to actually spend more.
- The only time NATO needed to openly wage war was in defence of the US. So the commitment of the rest of NATO is fact, the US’s isn’t.
So the commitment of the rest of NATO is fact, the US’s isn’t. Well, if that is the way you feel, then the United States should just leave NATO. If having the largest Army in the world and saving Europe in two wars isn’t proof of commitment, then we should just sit the next one out. It sounds like we are not wanted or needed.
Good job entirely (and, I think, intentionally) misinterpreting the whole fuckin’ context of the situation.
Be more clear in your point. I get you don’t like Trump but what he said was true.
Now everyone is scurrying because he was right.
Hate the man as much as you want but at the end of the day, he was right.
You fight a war with the Army you have, not the one you can build in the next five years. Europe has not taken their defense seriously, and it isn’t our job to spend our money to defend Europe. It is our job to help in their defense.
Putin was a wakeup call to Europe and hopefully they leaned you always need to be prepared for war.
Ok, sure, let’s play your game.
Let’s say Trump gets in, and the US fucks off from NATO. What then?
Outline the ramifications for me. I have a pretty concrete idea of what the fallout would be, but I want you to tell me what you think would happen, in your own words.
Easy Trump says we are leaving NATO then he finds out he can’t. So the united states stays in NATO. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/12/16/congress-nato-exit-trump/
I get Trump is the baba yaga to most people but congress was smart enough to cover their bases.
Check out what community they moderate, it’s very telling.
I just miss the era when the vast majority of Americans were on the same page regarding potentially dangerous geopolitical crap. Politics used to end at the water’s edge for the most part, but not anymore.
Can Trump alone withdrawal us from NATO?
No, which is why it didn’t happen in his first term. Lots of people threw sand in the gears to slow that effort down.
It’s just that if he gets in again, he’s openly said he’s going to fire a shitload of people all over the government and replace them with Trump loyalists (regardless of whether or not it’s legal), so it will probably actually happen if he captures the presidency again.
Relaxing people for family members and other loyalist is fair game in an autocracy.
Anyone who thinks the war will be over when Ukraine falls is a gullible idiot. The Ruskis will march straight to Moldova after the takeover of Ukraine.
Every non-NATO state on the border will be targeted and incorporated either directly or by being turned into a loyal authoritarian state a la Belarus.
And if the US leaves NATO, that undermines confidence in NATO. The alliance will fall. At that point, either the EU will have to step in and supplant it – in which case the US will no longer be even be PART of the mightiest diplomatic alliance in the world, much less influential in it – or else there’s no reason to think Russian aggression will stop endlessly escalating until all-out war between nuclear powers is on the table.
Additionally, there is already a lot of discussion about nuclear proliferation. Some nations did not develop their own nuclear weapons because the US guaranteed for their security in exchange.
This Trump, Orban, Putin triangle makes me think of the TV series The Handmaid’s Tale where the US slides into civil war and global isolation. Instead of the Sons Of Jacob you have Trump.
Seriously, if Trump is besties with Orban and he beats Biden to the Whitehouse the US is heading for very dark times.
The entire World is in a dire position with climate change and all that. The USA turning inwards to settle it’s culture war will have global ramifications. It’s already happening
