The progressive fixation on “oligarchy” is a diversion from class struggle.

  • GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    Because alienating the majority of your potential voters isn’t a good idea?

    Because making a big promise is just going to lead to a massive voter backlash in 4 years when it isn’t implemented immediately?

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    12 hours ago

    Anti capitalism was one of the reasons the FBI killed MLK. The others being a prominent black civil rights activist

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      5 hours ago

      MLK did black civil rights activism for a decade, but once he started pivoting to the “Poor People’s Campaign” he was dead within months. Make of that what you will.

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    9 hours ago

    You know why.
    it’s because of “PR”.
    it’s because Average Alex
    (or Pat, or Sam, or whatever name for whatever-/either-/neither-gender person)
    has been trained since birth to think CaPiTaLiSm gOoD
    and also reflexively feel scared, angry, and sometimes even a little bit nauseous when they hear big words that “”“capitalism”“” doesn’t like, such as bourgeoisie, proletariat, socialism, communism, anarchism, etc.

    In a way similar to grievously unwell pets who won’t swallow medicine until and unless it is hidden inside something else the critter actually wants to eat, the stressed depressed AnyPerson lacks a fundamental ability to ingest information that has been marinated in bitterness by the centuries of public relations campaigning that the rich have been waging against the poor since humans had the ability to count and one person had to come up with a plausible excuse for why they have more stuff than another person.

    It’s also similar to antibiotic resistant pathogens, that societies infected with capitalism witness this infection rendering rhetoric used against it useless. Pretending that anything else is the case is a fool’s errand doomed to failure. Honestly the only thing socialism and communism and anarchy have going for themselves is how chuds keep pointing at literally anything good or beneficial that would improve the material conditions of the population and calling it “socialism”, “communism”, or “anarchy”.

    Hell maybe we should lean into that more, just labeling all kinds of objectively good things that people have a gut reaction to crave and protect “socialism” “communism” and “anarchy” and pointing out the actual ways in which capitalism wants to destroy it.

    Do you love your children? Capitalism wants to take them away by incarcerating them for petty excuses and exploiting them for prison-based slavery; it’s the entire reason there’s an exception for that specific form of slavery on the law books. Do you love food? Sorry, getting to eat is socialist communism. Capitalism says you will own nothing and be happy. Capitalism says the food belongs to the company and you’re only renting it. Do you like having somewhere to live? Wrong. Capitalism requires all property be owned by private corporate entities and you have to rent it from them. You think you bought your house? Not after Capitalism has its way with it, jacking the “value” of your property so high that you can’t afford the cost they are charging you to maintain it but refusing to buy it at that price. Capitalism can afford to wait until you’re bankrupt so big corpo can swoop in and buy it off an auction for peanuts and then not allow you to live in it. Because they want you to be a prisoner, in a prison, doing free labor for them. Do you like breathing air? Too bad! As soon as capitalism finds a way to bill you for it, you’ll be paying a subscription to not suffocate. Don’t you miss not having a gatekeeper looking to collect a toll on every little thing you do? Sorry, that’s socialist communist anarchy and you can’t have that!

  • Walters, Fern@bookwyr.me
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    12 hours ago

    The progressive fixation on “oligarchy” is a diversion from class struggle.

    tis exactly why America will never revolt.
    they will never be conscious enough to say: “Wait, elections are diversions! Jiminy crickets! We have been fooled sixty times over!”

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      5 hours ago

      If voting didn’t matter, conservatives wouldn’t try nearly so god damn hard to keep you from doing it.

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        4 hours ago

        And yet Democrats join Republicans in controlling the debates through their bi-partisan corporation, the CPD. They join the Republicans in opposing ranked choice voting at every opportunity. They join the Republicans in confirming socialism. The join the Republicans all the fucking time. And then they tell the narrative that they are better for democracy. They aren’t. They’re lying. You’re falling for it

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          51 minutes ago

          And if all the people that agreed with you voted not just in the election but in the primaries, too, or better yet, helped build a new party from the local level up like the DSA is trying to do and voted for them, you might actually be able to do something about it.

          Or you could accept defeat before you even try so you can wallow in how right you were about those parties.

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            If I am right about those parties, then voting wouldn’t have changed anything anyway. That you think voting is resistance is exactly what I’m trying to disabuse people of. Voting does nothing except make everyone think we live in a democracy. It doesn’t change anything. It never has changed anything. When the Ds were the racist fucks from the South they passed civil rights, with the Republicans necessary bipartian support because black people were rioting and threatening to raise class consciousness, not because people voted. The Ds also supported the Rs in creating the war on drugs to attack those very same black people, and they did it literally as part of the same administration that advanced civil rights, and they did that without voters.

            Voting doesn’t do anything and the more you believe it does, the further away from actually changing anything you will be.

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          Why are they mutually exclusive? You can build new structures while simultaneously exercising your right to influence existing structures. If people who agreed with you would vote in both election and primary, or better yet, try to build a new party from the local level up like the DSA seems to be doing, you’d actually get somewhere.

          Or you can give up ahead of time and wallow in how right you are about how shit the options you refused to influence are.

  • Brave Little Hitachi Wand@feddit.uk
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    12 hours ago

    Overton window, or at least perceptions about it. We’re getting closer to a culture where being labelled socialist isn’t as politically poisonous as it once was, but they still think we’re not ready for class consciousness.