As an American it was always somewhat puzzling to understand the deeper drivers of cultural differences between the Canadian provinces having never been anywhere but BC and briefly, but the book “On Oil” is a great recent history of the spread of oil culture and money in Alberta, the Texas influences and ties there and helps frame why so much money and media influence is being welded against Canadian values and democracy right now.
It’s short and incredibly informative. https://www.biblioasis.com/shop/new-releases/on-oil/
Newfoundland & Labrador is the least americanised english speaking province.
“English speaking”.
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Sorry, transplanted Nova Scotian in Ontario. I love Newfoundlanders. I just can’t understand them when they get drunk and start talking to each other.
Used to work with an Irishman in Vancouver. We were drinking in a bar by site after work on a Friday and I had to stop him from starting a fight with a group of 6 Newfs because he thought they were making fun of him.
We ended up having a good laugh with them about it after he’d chilled out, but it was touch and go for a minute there…Stay where ur at bye, I’ll come where ya too.
I was at the bar with my Uncle when we were talking to a Newfoundlander and non-Newfoundlander. The non-Newfoundlander was amazed my Uncle could understand the Newfoundlander.
They were the last region added to Canada and some of them were horrified that Nova Scotia wasn’t as loyal to the crown.
Fun fact, the root word of “Viking” in old norse is “vík” which means a bay or inlet. The literal translation of the word Viking then is “Bayman”, which if you know Newfies well, is a term they are very familiar with. A thousand years and the meaning of the term hasn’t really changed that much.
As opposed to the townies eh?
Newfoundland and Labrador is a hidden gem. You have to put it on your list. One of those places you can fall in love with.
Beautiful up there too
“Province” Yukon and NWT would like a chat.
I’ve had the pleasure of talking to Newfies on occasion despite being Californian, I legit didn’t realize their accent is hard for some folks to understand. Probably has to do with me speaking a weird amalgam hick accent though.
Ill paint a picture:
Lots of cattle farming in Alberta too, so there isn’t a lot of new age thinkers there who care about factory farming pollution of water systems, and that all that farm land could feed more people, and the terrible conditions animals live in.
So when I’ve gone on work trips all the food places at hotels and events are all beef/rib products and fries. Finding a salad or some vegetarian protien is difficult.
I went on a two-three day work trip and lost 5lbs from lack of food choices.
Talking to them is like being in Hicksville, with lifted smokey diesel trucks, etc.
I’m calling bullshit. I live here. We have plenty of vegetables, salads, and vegetarian food around the province. Even in our smaller shithole, redneck, hellhole towns. There’s more than enough to criticize about this province without making shit up.
That’s been my experience at Calgary hotels and trade shows…as well as interacting with people. One food court had Burger place, rib place, kabob place, some other meat place. My option was fries. The hotel option was fries except those were beef fat cooked.
If that doesn’t represent Calgary, then the business and hospitality industry has to step up, because hotels and business events are where outsiders meet your ciry
No kidding, unless this guy specifically works in rodeo or some shit lol
Are the Albertans that fucking stupid? There should be an exchange between Canada and the USA. The fucknut Albertans can move to any US Red Oblast and the Blue voters from the same US Red Oblasts can move to Alberta.
Albertans? It’s a small group of morons. Don’t paint the whole province with your ignorance.
It’s thirty percent favoring secession in the last poll I saw, and Canada has terrible voter turnout. It could easily pass.
I’m not sure what percentage favor annexation by the US, I know Smith or Poilievre would jump at the chance to be Governor of Canada, but the conservative parties seem to split pretty hard on that.
There could plausibly be a majority of voters to start trying to secede, but not to go for annexation by the US. But if they do secede, they’ll just get annexed, it’s not up to the voters at that point.
There’s a strip of loonies, crazies, and idiots that runs south from the north pole down through Alberta then through Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, and Arizona and then peters out in the ocean around Baja Ca.
Complete fucking lunatics by most sane standards. Puppy shooters. Goddists. (goddists aplenty I tell you - there are some weird ones.
“want to be free”…? of what? having a nice country to live in? Having shit to do that pays the bills? What the fuck? Tell me, what is the carrot they’re dangling that says “take Alberta away from the people and give it to the corporations”.
Seriously? What the actual fuck is the matter with you people ? Too much moose juice?
Having your government side with fascists is not a good idea.
There’s no way this can be right.
Not to perpetuate the perception that leftists constantly argue about everything… But I think the strip of lunatics tends to take a hard right toward the gulf coast once it reaches Missouri.
There is the whole southeast quadrant to reckon with. I think that’s just post war stupid. (civil war).
“want to be free”…? of what?
Its just about wanting lower taxes, that’s it.
When has the government ever promised lower taxes and then fulfilled that promise?
Hint: never. No government has ever done that.
They are of the belief that if only they didn’t pay taxes they would be ultra rich. Many are millionaires and survive on government handouts but somehow think they’d do better with no taxes paying for services and no regulation Their leader is a guy who makes all his money by ripping off governments by administration of government trusts.
The boot represents inequality and $700 monthly insurance plans that cover 30% of healthcare needs.
$700? CAD?
That’s still like half a US health care plan. They’re going to be in for a big surprise of they are dumb enough to pass that.
And don’t forget the $30,000 deductible that you gave to hit before it pays anything.
It would be so funny if Alberta successfully exited Canada to lose all of those Canadian perks, like nationalized healthcare. Welcome to the free market baby.
The face Americans make at them after Albertans get a 100K hospital bill after losing socialized medicine:
Jokes on you, Alberta already gutted their health care!
It is however literally impossible to have happen, Alberta is not their land, it is treaty 6 land.
That is just not true… 😆
It’s 6,7 and 8
And a teeny bit 4 and 10
Mhm. Right. A paper contract that’s only valid with Canada. The reason FN are not in favour of secession/US control, is because they’d almost definitely lose any treaty-like claims and privileges. Those treaties are only good so long as Canada maintains control over the area. If Alberta, with the backing of the USA, declares that land not part of Canada, what do you imagine is going to happen – outside of a strongly worded letter of protest and some thoughts and prayers on facebook? Canada can’t realistically retain that region by force, especially if the people of Alberta are against it. FN would not be able to stand up to, nor ‘negotiate’ with the USA’s more authoritarian / fascist regime.
At best, you’ll get something like what happened to the Mohawks after the various wars for independence were settled, and the states basically kicked em out for having sided with the brits. FN might be given an opportunity to resettle into other parts of Canada as essentially refugees.
And you are completely wrong about that, the first Nations of Alberta have voted to self-govern, and have been in the process of moving forward doing so for the past couple years.
Self governing doesn’t mean they’re independent / sovereign. I don’t see how your comment changes anything about what I’d noted, honestly.
Its like saying “The Palestinians have voted, and Israel will now stop bombing them”. Or claiming that the Palestinians are sovereign/independent just because they voted and declared themselves a nation / tried to get into the UN. The cold reality is that if they lack the power to enforce that vote / declaration, it’s fairly meaningless.
Another example would be things like the Trump administration’s war crimes. The world voted / generally agreed that certain actions were war crimes, and that there should be repercussions should anyone commit them. The US commits them daily, and is not accountable for their actions, because no one has the power to enforce those declarations against the US. But you think a FN vote will beat them. “OK, sure, whatever”.
The regional management of the province of Alberta seems to be privatizing as much healthcare as possible, and as quickly as possible. An american “ha ha” style healthcare is already their goal, and the people voting for them don’t seem to understand the notion of Finding Out.
UCP claims that healthcare is a Bolshevik plot!
I oppose Alberta separatism primarily because of the border gore it would create. Like yeah sure there are plenty of other reasons why it would suck, but the Canada-US border is pretty stupid as it is and this would make it 1000x worse.
Found the paradox gamer. Don’t worry I’ve got a collective couple thousand hours across their catalog.
Vicky 3 is the goat dont @ me
Stellaris is better. fite me. /j
I’ll fite you in Stellaris! Or I would, if they ever fix the multiplayer late game slowdown/desync issues…
I have so many interesting civilization builds I want to try against real opponents.
God, the desync is awful! It gets worse if you have these fun and awesome mods that are completely unoptimized. I mostly play single player, but it would be nice if my friends and I could get to midgame.
I’d be fine if they spent an entire releasing no DLC or other content updates, and instead focused on fixing the desync. I can live with it being slow! But damn, I do not understand how it can be so complicated to fix that desync.
I’m not a programmer, but… Just resync? There is already a server, so there is a source of absolute truth for the gamestate. I dunno.
Legit can’t get into that game. It’s like the one game in their entire catalogue that I don’t particularly like that isn’t something truly ancient like Svea Rike. Vicky 2 on the otherhand I really fucken like, also NGL I like EUVs goods system.
I like it because I’m a huge nerd for the victorian era and I think the historical flavour stuff is really well fleshed out, but I do accept that a lot of the game mechanics are janky and unclear!
My problems aren’t generally with the mechanics themselves since I like Vicky 2, my big problem is that the UI is too minimalist so that it obscures information. Like I said I like EUV which uses a very similar system but things tend to be a good bit clearer.
Maybe do a tradesies for new York.
Yuk yuk yuk
If that happens then Cascadia must happen.
When you look at the geography and political identity of the US and Canada, its mildly surprising that this didn’t happen sooner.
Not holding my breath, though. The ties that bind regions within a nation are ultimately far more about bureaucracy than culture or identity.
Do you mean the PNW and BC? THEN YES.
I have more in common with BC than anywhere else in America. I’m tired of having my lot thrown in with red state shitholes.
Secession is the democratic human right of self determination.
About bureaucracy vs culture, this is a good example for the Donbass and Crimea. Crimea had been Russia for centuries, and was only associated with the Ukraine as a bureaucratic move by Khrushchev under the Soviet Union. The people are overwhelmingly ethnic Russian, and overwhelmingly support Russian annexation after the coup. They have very little in common with ethnic Ukrainian nationalists in Lviv.
People have a right to exist, not nations. When they have no other choice then this makes them nothing more than serfs within neofeudal bondage.
Hate to burst your bubble… but BC’s currently looking likely to elect a conservative party later this month. A conservative party that had staffed up with Alberta separatist staffers, prior to its leader stepping down, and then the subsequent election call.
A 75% chance of a conservative majority, when the conservatives don’t even have a fixed leader at present – which also makes it really hard to attack them on policies, as it’s not clear if they’re “totally separatist traitor cucks” or just “regular conservative sorts” (ours hadn’t been quite so crazy as the states, until recently, what with all the US influence campaigns and money).
The interior and northern areas of the province have almost always been conservative areas. Only Vancouver, and parts of the Island, are likely to be ‘sympatico’ with your perspective.
I’m tired of having my lot thrown in with red state shitholes.
Even “red” states tend to be a dichotomy of urban liberals and rural conservatives, or college educated liberals and service sector conservatives, or minority liberals and white conservatives. Some of the reddest counties in America are in New York and California. Some of the bluest are in Florida and Texas.
Secession is the democratic human right of self determination.
Secession from whom, by whom, through what political mechanism?
If you live in a neighborhood and five of your next door neighbors are sovereign citizens, are you now in their country cause they took a vote during a BBQ you weren’t invited to?
I get what you’re saying, and it only brings up more reasons that our system is as outmoded as it is undemocratic. States are an archaic and arbitrary construct. Even though anyone would agree that one-person-one-vote is a fundamental democratic principle, we don’t have that. A Wyoming voter has SEVENTY TIMES more voting power in the Senate than a Californian. States vote on the national issues there, not people. States are no more people than corporations are.
I don’t think there’d be much of a problem if we voted across the board, but we don’t, so state secession is the only option.
All other avenues are closed within a system designed to not allow democracy, nevermind reform.
How do you get states to abolish themselves?
No thanks I live near Vancouver you can keep your shitty Washington drivers on the interstate system thanks
Then can you imagine how we feel about states further afield?
We want out of this shitshow.
Would be great if you seceded but with all due respect Americans have dragged Canada into their shitshow quite enough, already.
I’m Cascadian. Don’t blame me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Territorial_Imperative
yeah that adds up, racist fuck
Bruh. That’s crazy. Be real. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_movement
And Albertans think the US would give two shits what Alberta wants over remaining in Canada? 😂
First thing America will do to Alberta is let the rats invade.
Which rats?
Actual rats, Alberta works hard to keep them out and have done a pretty good job so I hear. So yes if Alberta defects they won’t even have that point of pride anymore.
A rat from Alberta
Ah, not to worry. I predict the current referendum vote is to go 40% / 30% / 30% for ‘No further referendum’ / ‘Referendum to go’ / ‘referendum to stay’ respectively, which our premier will say ‘Oh, looks like 60% of folks want some form of further referendum’, so they can drag this out for another few years while we all grow even more furious about it. Then they’ll have another referendum and then finally find out that the majority of people would actually rather stay in Canada, or, more likely, further manoeuvring to keep the whole thing dragging out for all time - more time for the UPC to use our own money to feed us lies and propaganda.
It seems like the perfect issue to keep us all angry and give her leverage to get gifts and hall passes from the feds. I think the main threats to her are the separatists inside her party ousting her, or another provincial conservative party popping up to split the vote. I don’t think either are putting her at significant risk though.
I will continue to hope otherwise.
Considering the ballot questions are public and binary (yes/no), I’d be pretty fucking shocked to see a result that included the completely fictitious 3-way option you describe.
Yah all polls regarding Alberta separatistm almost alway come out as 75% to outright stay in Canada, whatever tactics they’re using to try and minipulate people aren’t working, especially since America has become such and obvious dumpster fire.
Bootlickers don’t understand that they hate the bootlickers as much as the non-bootlickers
Trump is excited about having free Albertan slaves.
Let me guess. Lot of redneck cousin fuckers in Alberta?
I’ve heard it described as the Texas of Canada, so… Texas may not be know for cousin fucking, but we sure as shit have dipshit rednecks coming out of our ears.
I’d go as far as to say it’s the Alabama of Canada.
It’s interesting, Calgary is like the Texas and Edmonton is like the Florida
Not sure if you’re joking but Edmonton is a very liberal city. Calgary as well but has more finance/oil bros. The plentiful rural zones are where the cousin fucking dimwits are located
Where does Cornwall fit into all of that? I’ve heard Canadians make jokes, but I don’t understand them.
Maybe we can trade ya for idaho, and it’s kind of a wash?
Idaho? Long-time home of far right militants and they historically have had training grounds and compounds there. I don’t think you want that.
Oh, sorry, USian here. I meant getting rid of idaho!
Ah, gotcha.
Past the cascades weed is seen as illegal.
Alberta cannot be allowed to do this
Actually they can. You live in Canada you have to take the good with the bad. It sucks.
Technically, this still keeps Cascadia intact, which is the real long term goal.
