• NABDad@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I can’t understand why people refuse to wear helmets when riding.

    I had a professor in university who got in an accident while not wearing a helmet. He went over the handlebars and landed on his head. It happened years before I met him, but he would regularly get crippling migraines as a consequence, and he would plead with his students to never ride without wearing a helmet.

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      4 months ago

      A friend’s dad fell off his bike hardly moving and had severe brain damage and was a shadow of his former self. Then died young. It doesn’t take much at all. I will never not wear a helmet on a bike.

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      should we wear helmets while walking around or jogging? riding a bike at 5mph doesn’t need a helmet. or in the shower? most folks get head trauma from shower falls, far more than bicycle accidents.

      helmet wearing is for when you’re going 15mph or faster. it’s for sport cycling.

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        4 months ago

        This is an inherently close minded take on helmets.

        If you’re sharing the road with vehicles which can go 30mph, you need a helmet. You don’t need to be moving to be killed on a bike

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            4 months ago

            A helmet will undoubtedly reduce the incurred injury of a collision or at least increase the threshold of force required for major head injury.

            At the end of the day, the only thing which really matters is protecting your head. Limbs are a bonus

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    4 months ago

    During that same period, the number of recorded e-bike riders seeking medical attention for head trauma increased nearly 50-fold to just shy of 8,000 visits in 2022.

    So… Number of ebike riders rose by 50x since 2017. Makes sense, but doesn’t mean it’s more dangerous or anything to do with helmets

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    4 months ago

    I bought a new helmet for my downhill biking. It’s almost lighter than some road bike helmets and has great air flow. Wear a helmet, people. Your noggin is precious and cars and trucks are aiming for us.

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        People are downvoting you but you are right. Bicycle helmets are not designed for impact collisions with vehicles and wearing a helmet vs not wearing one — in motor vehicle accidents — statistically doesn’t matter very much.

        But why does this matter? Two reasons:

        — Studies have shown that motor vehicle drivers are more likely to give a cyclist more space when passing if the cyclist is not wearing a helmet. Drivers think helmet = protected and no helmet = squishy.

        — People tend to blame cyclists for their injuries if they weren’t wearing a helmet. Victim blaming is bad. A cyclist can certainly be at fault in an accident, but they don’t deserve their injuries.

        That said, I still always wear a helmet when riding in the US because drivers are crazy, our road infrastructure is usually in disrepair, and I am capable of making mistakes that could lead me to fall.

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          I also had an incident two years ago where I was cycling downhill on a road, going 22 mph, and a child ran out right in front of me. Thankfully my hydraulic brakes did their job and I stopped me amazingly quickly, but my back wheel also came a foot off the ground. I was so close to going over my handlebars and cracking my head on the pavement.

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            i went over my handlebars a couple of times and once had a collision with a car that ran the red light to turn left. Luckily it was before the SUV hype and i did slide over the car instead of going under. My leg had the blue impression of the bike frame and my fingers had the impression of the brakes that broke in my hands.

            During those couple of times i went over my handlebars I was practising ground based movements and i was lucky to be able to just push my body along and get up to a stop. I had decent gloves :)

            for those who are interested : Advanced / basic Quadrupedal Patterns

            my favorite fall is when i fell onto a soft pile of sand the city left without any visible signs on the quay (? wharf? riverwalk?) to rebuild the bike/walk path. I was riding in the night and suddenly ¼ of my wheel went in the sand and i fell on the floor that was softer than my pillow 😁

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        getting downvoted but you are 100% correct.

        ignorance on this comment thread deep. people here don’t have any idea what they are talking about and just want to blowhard about how helmet wearing is the issue.

        if you’re going 25mph on an ebike, a helmet isn’t going to stop you from fucking up your head.

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      4 months ago

      “cars and trucks are aiming for us”

      As he screams past a dozen cars into a busy 4-way stop without any regard for traffic laws or personal safety

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    4 months ago

    An e-bike is a motorcycle in everything but name and highway-worthiness. It’s honestly a little bonkers how long it took for this conversation to come up. I do think there’s a bit of an odd feeling strapping on a motorbike helmet when you’re getting on what you think of as a bicycle, and it probably doesn’t help that motorcycle helmets are bulky and a PITA to carry around if you’re using your e-bike as a commuter. Those are all addressable solutions, though.

    Probably the fastest/cheapest way to affect a change would be to set a top speed for eBikes operating in public areas as bicycles. Speed kills, and keeping people from doing practically 30 mph in the bike lane would probably be a good place to start. I’m not talking about handing out tickets as much as having manufacturers govern their top speeds down. After that, public health campaigns.

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    Wonder how many of those injuries are on rentals? Veo rental e-bikes are very prevalent around these parts. Have never seen anyone riding them with a helmet. If you own an e-bike and don’t wear one, that’s on you. But rental ones don’t even have a way to provide you with one.

    OTOH, most rental e-scooters have a helmet carrier box on the back. It unlocks when you go to pick one up with the app.

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      We have rental e-scooters around here that come with helmets mounted to the stem for the rider.

      I’d say that maybe 1 out of 10 wear the helmet. And you can’t imagine how many riders, who have no control over the damn scooter, aren’t wearing a helmet.

      If someone wants a brain injury, that’s fine. But they are burdening anyone and everyone who relies on them and/or has to care for them.

      And for what? Laziness? Convenience? Self-hate?

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        4 months ago

        comfort and cleanliness

        nobody wants to wear stinky nasty rental helmet that fits like crap and ruins your hair.

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      It’s probably door dash, uber eats, etc. - our city is quite swarming with “gig economy” riders who have standardised on relatively high speed electric bikes.

      The combination of time pressure and the variety of places where they need to ride (busy pedestrianised city centre areas, park paths, roads with cars) probably doesn’t help the safety.

      They are also out riding way more hours each day than someone commuting or on rental bikes.

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    It would be interesting to know whether the increase in head trauma stems from single accidents being inherently more dangerous on e-bikes and that being the increase, or if e-bikes make biking more accessible bringing out less experienced bikers on the road where they are subsequently struck by cars.

    It’s not possible to see the study without a subscription, so it’s hard to tell.

    I’d not be surprised to see the latter being the case though, cars are the biggest predator when it comes to bicyclists.

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      ebikes ride about 10mph faster than on a bicycle.

      higher speeds is the issue. combined with the inexpereince and lack of physical skill and health of ebike riders. recipe for injuries.

      that and most ebike riders are much older. you don’t see 22yo college grads on them, you see middle aged adults and retirees, because they cost $2000+ not $200.

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        Are you claiming this on intuition or on some actual statistics?

        Also, on account of your use of mph, is this relevant only for the U.S? In the EU, e-bikes are pedelec only and capped at 25 km/h, which I don’t think is 16 km/h more than the average bicyclist puts out.

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          The stats don’t exist because ebikes have only been around for a few years. There are no stats on them yet, and they aren’t seen as a separate category of transportation from bikes.

          I’m claiming i on experience of commuting in my city daily for over a decade and seeing the changes in trends, ages, and behaviours of other commuters on bikes. I also work in cycling advocacy, education, and infrastructure.

          There are however, many articles form local hospitals/newspapers cited a big uptick in serious cycling injuries the past few years, and that was when ebikes became mainstream.

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        I got the cheapest+lightest ebike w/gears that I could find (~$700 and there were bigger sales after I bought it), it has a 250w motor and a 15mph limit… though being out-of-shape I typically only saw 8-12mph.

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    If you think your head and its contents are important, wear a properly adjusted helmet. Every time.

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    I recently got an e-bikes. It goes up to 20mph and honestly scares the shit out of me sometimes. I have a normal bike helmet but am looking into something a bit beefier, between a bike and motorcycle helmet

    I don’t think people understand: At 20mph that’s athlete sprinting speed. Imagine going all out “impending asthma attack and you don’t even have asthma” full sprint down a hill then tripping on a curb

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      exactly. folks get ebikes because they wnat to go fast without being fit. they can do 20mph rather than 5mph.

      falling at 20mph is going to have an impact force 16x greater than it is at 5mph