Bitches with degrees also get two days off a week.
Well sure but a decent, independent escort in a city is easily pulling in $200-$500 per client, seeing more than one client per day, and getting paid in cash. There are some expenses to account for but it’s pretty feasible to net six figures over the course of a year working just 5 days a week… or so I’ve heard.
Most SWers get paid per hour, not per client, and that ranges depending on the city, generally $500/hr on average for full service. Most are not high volume (danger goes up from both clients and authorities, which is why high volume tends to not be as intimate and tends to be in a building for that purpose, eg happy ending massages, bunny ranches. Or high volume tends to be strippers who can find clients quickly and easily). Most tend to see men mostly on weekends (demand). Even so, it’s still lucrative, can be a good side hustle, and gives you a lot of free time.
There are other payment structures as well. I am a Dominatrix, so how I personally structure my payments are a little different and my relationships with my subs are a little different (nonsexual sex work). I’m extremely low volume, I require ongoing relationships (no one and done), I take on 1-3 subs at maximum. Because I do this, I have very high payment thresholds, which are not hourly but instead usually weekly or monthly and usually include extras like gifts, travel, apartments, etc. I also get a small amount of money through the porn/nudes I make, which are really just advertising for my Dominatrix business (I honestly do not enjoy taking nudes at all, it’s not very fun for me).
I partially do this payment structure because of the special relationship of a Domme/sub and things like sub drop, where I may need to be “on call” and available for my subs. BDSM is trauma work, I am confident about that, and subs can be triggered and may need extra assistance afterwards. I do not think it’s ethical to do the kind of trauma work that is required in BDSM and then retraumatize them by repeating patterns of neglect and abuse. The healing part of BDSM is that the nightmare ends and gets addressed, or is transformed in some way.
I have a pretty good life. I get to travel all over and I get to do everything I want to do. I have a ton of free time as well. I don’t think I’d enjoy being a different type of SWer but I do love being a Dominatrix a LOT. Something about telling a millionaire he’s a pathetic baby unfit to lick my feet while he’s groveling on his floor in a maid dresss really does it for me 🤌
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True. But the original post was bragging about working 365 days per year.
Some expenses like paying for drugs so you’re able to do that without feeling like killing yourself, paying your pimp that needs to pay your driver/bodyguard… In the end you might as well just get that degree instead.
If you’ve got a pimp, then you’re not independent.
Whaaa lol my word
https://www.addictioncenter.com/community/jobs-highest-addiction-rates/
Many of these jobs with degrees still have high rates of drug use so idk. Kinda seems like society is fucked up in general and just a lot of adults are on a drug of some kind every day. Including caffeine
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33323428/
Majority of UK women sex workers are drug users, specifically of heroin or crack cocaine
Participants: Females aged 18 years or older, who have sold sex on the street and used heroin and/or crack cocaine at least once a week in the last calendar month.
That study is looking at STREET sex workers only, and wasn’t assessing it’s claim of what percentage are on drugs but instead assessing treatment for them. Their inclusion criteria was that the person was already using drugs and on the street… so ofc 100% of these workers will be using drugs because that’s the criteria. Also, SWers who are on the street are not a common group of SWer (even though they are very visible and stereotypical) since vast majority is done through online means or through popular hangouts like bars etc. If you’re advertising on the street, it’s because you likely can’t get into bars or hotels (banned for soliciting or look obviously not well).
Just seems like a bad study that has an n=11 which is super low.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_prostitution
Street SWers are different than other SWers^^^
Look at the study PDF and the sources used to make the claim.
I did look at the study. You’ll have to quote the sources or link the sources directly.
Not everyone needs drugs to feel good about the work they’re doing. Sounds like a personal problem to me. Not sure why pimps come into the picture, and body guards and drivers just sound like wise investments if you can afford them in this day and age.
It’s just the reality of the work we’re talking about in this conversation, drug use is extremely common in that field. Not every job has a majority of workers that are hard drug users.
I’m not surprised prostitutes don’t get off at work.
And don’t usually have to suck dick.
So it’s more of a side hustle.
Let’s just if it’s one guy a day. And that already puts you above minimum wage.
Make this a full-time job, get eight guys in a day. $292,000 a year. And you still weren’t even be working all day!
At those numbers that’s not a side gig, that’s just a full career with early retirement depending on lifestyle.
I’d let dudes bang me for $100 a day, and I’m not even gay. Realistically, how long we talking per session? 5 minutes if they’re lucky?
Why not just let 7 dudes a day do it for 100 a pop. $700 for 35 minutes of “work” with 6 days to let my bum hole recover.
Maybe double down a few times before holidays for some extra spending money.
Well… ya know… std’s and what not…
If it’s a numbers game, how many loads can you take before being exposed to something with life-long consequences, statistically speaking?
STDs, protection against being raped, kidnapped/trafficked, or murdered, the travel time and cleanup between clients unless you’re in-house, and in that case the cost of maintaining a safe and comfortable space, and finally the side effort you have to work on to maintain a body / appearance that people actually want to fuck. I’m all for sex work being legal, but it should be regulated specifically to protect workers.
How would regulation fix those things? Versus decriminalization?
The same way OSHA prevents workers from being expendable labor because of unsafe workplaces. I don’t want decriminalization. I want legalization. And I know OSHA doesn’t exactly fit the bill, but regulating sex work already exists in Nevada, and it’s much better for said workers.
Well, we could just make a law requiring that sex workers own their own means of production and anyone who owns a sex worker’s means of production is a human trafficker. But then the other workers in other industries might catch on that they are also being trafficked. Please note that this is what decriminalization does, as it is still illegal to be a pimp - so legalization actually allows for greater exploitation of sex workers by capitalists and banks.
How often a worker should be tested is between her and a doctor and perhaps a public health official. It should not be regulated by lawmakers who don’t understand medicine anyway. There are already laws in place about communicating STI status between adults.
Then do it. There’s nothing stopping you. Go do it. $100 is very cheap so you’ll find customers.
Except for, you know, the whole pimps extorting you and generalized abuse and ill treatment of sex workers. Forced labor, human trafficking risk, etc.
i’m not saying those things aren’t a problem, but they don’t really move the needle in places where sex work is considered real work
The places where sex work is considered real work and protected by law are a very tiny minority. Most of the world criminalizes sex work which adds police and state harassment to my list.
not a problem with the concept; that’s a problem with local law
I have a tendency of caring more for the real world and real people than about concepts. My bad.
great! then you should be all for legalised and regulated sex work… because that’s the way it is here in melbourne, australia and its excellent and good for everyone… in the real world
Friends without benefits
Other way around, benefits without friends.
Two adults consenting to exchange an agreed upon service for financial gain.
Money is a benefit.
Just charge 1000. Too EZ.
All the sex workers I’ve known (and dated) had degrees and day jobs that paid alright. Sex work was how they both paid for those degrees and paid for their nice houses and vacations.
36.5k minus income tax. Unless you don’t pay the IRS like the rich people, but that’s illegal (if you are not rich).
If you’re rich enough to not pay income tax, your money isn’t coming from being employed.
Even the $365,000 level is not enough to not pay income tax.
Isn’t prostitution illegal in most parts of the western world? So it’s essentially tax free.
The IRS actually has a field for reporting illegal income. Tax evasion is a separate crime which often leads to criminals establishing or gaining a stake in legal business which they’ll use to run their money through and pay taxes. Famously, Al Capone actually went to prison for tax evasion rather than for his other crimes.
Film it and now it’s totally legal porn
weirdly in australia prostitution is legal but filming porn is mostly technically illegal (but we do it anyway because nobody cares)
What I gather from this is that he wants dumb bitches to charge $100 for sex, thinking that they’re making 10x as much so they keep going it and he can keep getting laid.
Nobody should date, nor fuck, that person. Not even for $1000, and certainly not for $100.
No, he’s actually fantasizing about himself as a prostitute, which is what a pimp is. He’s a wannabe pimp which is a wannabe woman. He’s a pickme saying that to get other men on board.
Prostitutes, as in the classic men’s idea of what they are, are a male fantasy. They do not exist unless they are being trafficked by a man (because it’s his fantasy).
It’s not “I’d choose the bear unless the man was really really wealthy.” It’s “I’d choose the bear.”
Women do not fuck just any man for money and they never have. That’s a male fantasy. That’s men getting hard because they believe they will never get rejected or denied if they pay women enough. It’s a man’s fantasy. It’s their fantasy of becoming a woman exactly how they see womanhood and believing they could do it better if only they were born as a hot woman. But they weren’t so they must own another woman as an avatar of their own womanhood.
Irl, sex workers who are independent can and do blacklist people. Sex workers can and do network to tell on bad clients in an area. Sex workers interview clients to make sure they are safe. Sex workers deny clients. Sex workers pick the bear too.
As a man, I just want to clarify that it’s not all men who have this fantasy. I know you didn’t say that, but I just want to be clear, not all men have this fantasy.
Right, correct. Kinks are quite varied. Majority of men who are obsessed with this idea or who traffick women (eg Andrew Tate) do have this fantasy. Majority of men I see personally have significantly different kinks lol.
But that’s as good as ~60k in a job where you pay taxes
I hope you pay an accountant to do your taxes, because that’s way, way off.
If you earn $60k in a state like, NY, your take home amount will be $45,363
CA: $47,763
TX: $49,949
There are different countries with different taxes. And in some they can get close to 50%
Marginal tax rate in California is about 50% for highest bracket (37% federal + 12.3% state).
But 60k is nowhere near that number of course (and effective tax rate is lower than marginal). I’d be surprised if there are any countries where income at ~4x poverty line (for an individual) would have anything near a 50% tax rate, but I could be wrong…
that CA tax was copied from the us tax office website’s calculator. It does it by city, not just state, which I thought was interesting. (That number was from San Fran)
Out of curiosity, I looked up one of the highest taxed countries in the world: Finland.
$60,000usd = 54,133.80 Euro, with a take home of only € 31,447 (averaged tax rate of 41.9%, 53.2% on the marginal), which is $34,850usd
So, if Vampire@hexbear was thinking about Finland…
He gets a pass. (He wasn’t, and OOP was using $, not €, but your point is otherwise valid!)
yes and no. Yes, you can get up to 98% tax rate, I’m sure - but that’s not how tax brackets work.
also, OOP is from the USA.
GB: ~£45,000 also
but £60,000 is a lot more than $60,000usd, so I’d expect the overall rate to be higher.
so, while yes, take home would be £45,361, if it were the same…
$60,000usd = £45,575, which take home would be £36,335.40, which in USD would be $47,834
making the two countries basically the exact same for taxes.
Where are taxes that high?
In the Netherlands, jokes on you (prostitution is taxed)
Yeah, I’m a manbitch with a degree and I make nothing
Start fucking a man every day for $100 and start working towards that $365,000.
Bro u think that will work?
Even if you only did it every 3 days that’s still over one hundred thousand k
FYI, if you live in Texas, it’s the same as earning $43,000 before taxes. ($36,430 after taxes).
or $44,500 if you live in CA.
Nowhere near your $60k.
That “approximately” is doing a lot of heavy lifting is what I’m saying.
I suppose we’re all whores in some sense.
No, only whores are whores. Whoring is a storied profession, and it doesn’t do it justice to call anyone a whore.
Personally, I think men and women, or people of any gender, are better off not whoring to sustain themselves. If they do it for a hobby, I think that’s better. I hate the idea of someone having to do something most people consider intimate or a privilege to just get some food or a nice vacation. That’s why I also find OnlyFans kinda sad, but I understand that not everyone is a practically a monk like me and they have a different pov about sex or intimacy
Your mom was a whore if she got married. Every woman in your family line who has been married is a whore. It’s just socially acceptable to be a whore, to have sex for money, as long as it’s in a marriage contract. The sole purpose of a marriage contract is to make the bride a whore.
That’s really extending the logic for what the term “whore” means.
Whores don’t have expectation of family life or a stable long term relationship where partners care for each other. Housewives or tradwives do (my mom is a housewife, never worked a day in her life).
Note that I am not judging sex workers. I wish that sex workers who don’t want to be sex workers, don’t have to be. If someone is a sex worker and likes what they do, I think it’s like any other job. But I wouldn’t recommend to a friend that they should do it because it’s likely emotionally exhausting, and makes intimacy into a commodity. The former is bad for the sex worker, the latter is bad for a community.
That’s just my pov, maybe I am wrong 🤷♀️
Plenty of full service sex workers do get married and have families. There are in fact generations of families of sex workers.
Your mom worked every day of her life, you mean, since she was a housewife.
Plenty of full service sex workers do get married and have families. There are in fact generations of families of sex workers.
Good for them. My only question is if given the option of another career with similar pay and benefits, would sex workers still do it? If no, then there’s a problem society needs to address, like by introducing UBI. If yes, then that’s okay.
Edit: to address the original point, though. Sex workers don’t have an expectation of family life with their clients (who pay them), so that’s not exactly the same situation as that of a housewife.
To address the work comment, I was referring to jobs where you’re paid income or benefits from a non-related person as work. But yes, emotional and family care is unpaid work.
Yes, sex workers already have an option of other work. No other work gives this pay or these benefits - name one. Name one job. And I’ll tell you why sex workers won’t choose it over their current profession. As it is, nothing really competes.
The societal issue is that we have a class of people who own the labor of other people. Until workers own their own means of production, all work will be exploiting workers.
The reason I won’t get married as a sex worker is because marriage is sex slavery in my eyes. The man not only owns the wife, he also owns their children. Your mom worked for no pay, in a work contract that lasts a lifetime, and had the children of her captor. That this has been common doesn’t make it right or idyllic. It’s quite horrifying to me along with all the tradwife/slave stuff.
That slavery and ownership aspect is what is different between free and clear sex work and sexual slavery of wives. It’s not family - sex workers have families and relationships with their clients as we’ve already established. It’s that the husband doesn’t own the family and is disempowered. In the patriarchy, this is bad and so “whores” are bad. Wives are good because they allow for much more power and control over them. This is also why women commonly experience a huge upswing in abuse after commitments, eg after she moves in with a man, after she gets married, after she has a baby, etc.
FWIW, I am not the one downvoting you. I hate places and people that downvote a conversation, it’s so unnecessary.
Thanks for sharing your pov, and I get where you’re coming from. I am glad you’re here to contribute and share your side of things.
I’m sure fucking 365 people in a row over the span of 1 year will have no adverse consequences either, we live in a very safe and comfortable society, and we have good Healthcare
Weird thing is how below market rate the “idea” is, but it’s just to make it easy to multiply and he still fucked it up
I mean, it doesn’t take a degree to know 365 x 100 = 36,500 and not 365,000.
But I guess she isn’t saying that you need a degree to know that.
Ya she’s just clapping back
By sleeping and waking in 2 hour chunks, you’ll have 12 days per day, giving you $1000 per day with two days off. Hustle mindset hashtag
Says a lot more about the guy whose thinks you need a degree to know multiplication.
