• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Until that day, let’s hope people recognize that there really are only two votes that will end up counting. I still regret voting for Nader when Bush stole the election in 2000.

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      What you wrote is a simplification and it’s also wrong in general. For people who don’t live in swing states, one vote more or less isn’t going to change the election. This is especially true if you’re in an obvious minority in your own state.

      Also, the two established parties realize that people think what you think, and that gives them an excuse not to represent their base. The term used back in Bill Clinton’s days was “triangulation”. One of the ways of keeping presidential candidates honest is to vote for third parties if necessary.

      Finally, it’s important to keep in mind that the stance you have here is something that many of us have heard for decades.

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        And it’s all still true, as long as we have a voting system that is essentially actively detrimental to yourself if you try to express anything other than R or D on the voting ballot.

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        Democrats aren’t taking advantage, republicans are. Why do you think independent candidates are funded primarily by GOP PACs but use moderate platforms? They know anyone educated enough to find value in a moderate candidate would never have voted for Trump.

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          We can acknowledge that Trump is a fascist and people need to vote for Biden or there is a real possibility of not being able to vote again.

          We can also acknowledge that as a result Democrats don’t have to try very hard and can present a boring “mostly status quo” candidate under the banner of “what are you going to do, let a fascist win?”

          Yes, it sucks. We can acknowledge it sucks. Personally I think the best way to correct course is if the Republicans lose hard to send the message that they need to be putting forward reasonable candidates to stand a chance, at which point it would be reasonable to not vote for disappointing Democratic candidates.

          We can still acknowledge that what is being offered isn’t stellar.

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          Democrats aren’t taking advantage

          Yes, they absolutely are. It’s why they’re supporting the genocide every last centrist has always wanted. They can get away with it because the other option is worse.

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              You think Trump would be better?

              No, I don’t.

              I think Democrats are taking advantage of this in order to move as far to the right as being second worst will allow.

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          They are taking advantage of the situation by ignoring voters telling him to stop genocide. They believe they can do whatever they want and voters will still reward him with another opportunity to keep doing it.

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            The US has always been too easy on Israel. I agree that Biden needs to stand firm on his recent insistence of diplomacy after the attack, and take action if Netanyahu doesn’t agree to follow.

            The honest truth is that none of the other choices will be better, and Trump will be far, far worse.

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              The honest truth is that none of the other choices will be better, and Trump will be far, far worse.

              This is exactly what taking advantage looks like.