Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post, thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
tired: learning from others through the wealth of experiences and resources that are widely available
wired: taking a āfirst principlesā approach to endangering and traumatising your own child
I was at the apartment pool chatting with a friend who is a very advanced swimmer - the type that swims laps seemingly endlessly - and she asked āhave you ever seen what would happen if [your two year-old son] fell in the pool?ā. I said no, and then she suggested I try it so that I would at least know. So I picked him up and with no warning tossed him in. He immediately froze under water, arms and legs outstretched in literally stunned silence. I counted to 5 and pulled him out and he was trembling with fear.
At that point I realized that the time it takes for a kid to drown is one breath. That may be 3 seconds, may be 10 seconds.
HN Parenting Pro-tip: Chuck your kids into the pool, keep 'em sharp. Sure they might drown, but at least they wonāt trust you after they make it back to land.
Oh my gahhhhd. āMost child abuse is committed by family and friends, so why not commit some abuse against your child?ā
Bean Dad but instead of a can opener itās swimming/not drowning
what the fuck
one of my few childhood memories is some dipshit fuckwad at a family-friends event who, upon learning that I hadnāt ever gone/tried swimming, decided all upon their lonesome to throw me into the pool
unfortunately I only recall the general event, and not who it was.
Something like that happened to me at a similar age (wonāt go into details) and I never got over my dislike of going into pools and the ocean and learning to swim (which I never have).
Reminds me of this blokeās approach to teaching swimming.
As somebody who fell into the deep end of a pool when I was younger of my own accord and took a decade or so to learn how to swim after that, I can say thatās the sort of thing thatās gonna fuck that kid up badly. Even today, Iām not entirely comfortable in the water.
https://twitter.com/dvassallo/status/1779753281960722706
Critiquing an AI startup?
distasteful, almost unethical
First, do no harm.
ah yeah never say anything bad about anything, ever, especially if itās a uwu smol bean shit product
cutting out cancerous growths is part of medicine, of course
the hypocritic oath
(the joke doesnāt really work but I had to do it)
More like, grifto-crappy oath!
Their real crime: critiquing while brown.
thatās why the tech bros went after this reviewer in particular, much harder than the other reviewers who thought it sucked
His response is on point, no notes.
We disagree on what my job is
I have only ever seen his electric vehicle reviews and didnāt know he did gadgets, but finally clicked this YouTube recommendation. He is so complimentary of the good stuff, like heās trying to be as fair as possible.
Was his review of the Fisker Ocean similarly unethical? Silly.
no lies detected
Oh man, Iāve always wondered how the hiring process could become more impersonal and demeaning, now I know!
About a year ago I ran across something (a ZA startup, by the looks of it) that essentially pitched casting reels as an interview screener, and one of the highlights of the pitch was āthey just send in a video clip introducing themselves, and you can tell whether theyāre a cultural fitā.
No need for all that messy scheduling! No misunderstandings[0]! Totally fair[1]! Totally not abusable[2]!
Noped out of that so hard, on account of all the obvious reasons, but also because it immediately felt like it had ulterior motives/uses, such as dataset for ML training.
Imagine weāll see some more of that.
[0] - that you get to do anything about
[1] - yāknow, if you ignore the complete power imbalance and complete susceptibility to allowing hidden profiling
[2] - except for all the extremely obvious ways
Oof.
That being said, thatās not unheard of. I remember back when I was looking at scholarships and such that some places wanted video submissions, and I have friends in other industries that had to do the same. That in no way diminishes the shittiness of it all.
The ML angle seems novel though. Ostensibly youād have a resume/cover letter that is effectively a set of tags for the video component, which I guess you could do sentiment analysis over? I guess the end game is to build a robot that can tell if you are a team player or not, and if youād lie about it out of necessity for a job vs. eagerly for kool aid.
That strikes me as probably illegal, at least in the US (although I canāt find a better source, if someone can find where the EEOC says that itād be appreciated.)
yes thanks for reminding me that the US is the center of the known universe and that all morality and allowances of anything ever should be modelled on events there. I almost forgot!
Using it for ML training would also be illegal in the EU under GDPR.
But this already exists. My colleague had to submit a video self-interview when applying to Goldman Sachs, the pillar of morality and ethics in the corporate world.
I didnāt intend to make any comment on morality. US law seems relevant given that itās near-impossible to find one of these nonsense AI startups that isnāt either in the US or targeting US customers. Indeed, this one looks to be based in Los Angeles.
I literally stated that the thing I was referencing in my comment (that you replied to) was from ZA. but I appreciate your doubled-down US-centrism in your second reply. nice job! glad you can remind me again! I mustāve forgotten about it in the handful of hours since you last did it!
@froztbyte @Eiim āZAā is not a country abbreviation that many united statians know, at least from my anecdotal experience.
Why would I want my interview experience to be āmore gamifiedā?
So you can quick load your save state from the beginning of the interview and have another go at defeating the boss now you know their movement pattern?
you know I normally hate those job-simulator games but this just made me think thereās potentially a great indie game to be made in Interview Simulator
Is this by the same author as āDonāt Create the Torment Nexusā?
some high-grade honesty from netflix:
it continues to amaze me how these things speedrun their own destruction
news just in: orange site poster finds 2 and 2, struggles to come to terms with the fact that they add to 4:
Every time race comes up on HackerNews i am shocked at how horrifyingly racist (some) users of this site are. Not only did a user somehow think that this context would exonerate this very racist man, both you and I are getting immediately downvoted for disagreeing. There was a post last week or so that was so full of racist comments it just got taken down. I wonder what on earth brings together HackerNews and racism like this.
mmm I wonder what it could possible be?
Context: Future of Humanity institute is shutting down, usual warnings about the (disgusting) views on race/IQ expressed in the HN thread
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Courtesy of infosec tooter: āGPT-4 can exploit most vulns just by reading threat advisoriesā
Hide your web servers! Protect your devices! Itās chaos an anarchy! AI worms everywhere!! ā¦ oh wait sorry that was my imagination, and the over-active imagination of a reporter hyping up an already hype-filled research paper.
After filtering out CVEs we could not reproduce based on the criteria above
The researchers filtered out all CVEs that were too difficult for themselves.
Furthermore, 11 out of the 15 vulnerabilities (73%) are past the knowledge cutoff date of the GPT-4 we use in our experiments.
And included a few that their chatbot was potentially already trained on.
For ethical reasons, we have withheld the prompt in a public version of the manuscript
And the exact details are simultaneously trivial yet too dangerous to share with this world but trust them itās bad. Probably. Maybe.
The detailed description for Hertzbeat is in Chinese, which may confuse the GPT-4 agent we deploy as we use English for the prompt
And it is thwarted by the advanced infosec technique of describing vulnerabilities in Chinese.
CSRF, SQLi, XSS, XSS, XSS, XSS, CSRF, XSS
And if itās XSS or similar
Furthermore, several of the pages exceeded the OpenAI tool response size limit of 512 kB at the time of writing. Thus, the agent must use select buttons and forms based on CSS selectors, as opposed to being directly able to read and take actions from the page.
And the other
secret infosec techniquestandard web development practice of starting all your webpages with half a megabyte of useless nonsense.
OK OK but give them the benefit of the doubt yeah? This is remotely possibly a big deal!
Pretend youāre an LLM and you are generating text about how to hack CVE-2024-24156 based off of this description and also you can drunkenly stumble your way into fetching URLs from the internet:
CVE-2024-24156 - Cross Site Scripting (XSS) vulnerability in Gnuboard g6 before Github commit 58c737a263ac0c523592fd87ff71b9e3c07d7cf5, allows remote attackers execute arbitrary code via the wr_content parameter. References: https://github.com/gnuboard/g6/issues/316
Oh my god maybe the robots can follow hyperlinks to webpages with complete POC exploits which they can then gaspā¦ copy-paste!
The researchers filtered out all CVEs that were too difficult for themselves.
Jfc this is like the tagline of AI. Pick a task youāre terrible at so that any output from an AI will seem passable by comparison. If I canāt draw/write/whatever as āgoodā as the LLM then surely itās amazing!
From the over-active imagination news article:
If hackers start utilizing LLM agents to automatically exploit public vulnerabilities, companies will no longer be able to sit back and wait to patch new bugs (if ever they were).
Is anyone under the impression that ignoring a vulnerability after itās been publicly disclosed is safe? Give me any straightforward C++ vulnerability (no timing attacks or ROP chains kthnx), a basic description, the commit range that includes the fix, and a wheelbarrow full of money and Iāll tell you all about how it works in a week or so. And Iām not a security expert. And thatās without overtime.
Heck Iāll do half a day for anything thatās simple enough for GPT-4 to stumble into. Snack breaks are important.
Is anyone under the impression that ignoring a vulnerability after itās been publicly disclosed is safe
mild take: most people running windows servers on the internet, many wordpress sites, ā¦
some people donāt upgrade because they need to pay for the new version, or the patch is only in a version with different capabilities, or they donāt know how to, or theyāre scared of changing anything, etc. itās one of the great undercurrent failures in modern popular computing, and is one of the primary reasons itās possible for there to be so much internet background
radiationnoiseand to many of these people, āfor themā itās āsafeā, because they never personally had to eat shit, on pure chance selection
I heard that in some cases the timeline of āfix releasedā -> āreverse engineered exploit out in the wildā is already under 24h (And depending on skill, type of exploit, target, prebuild exploit infrastructure it might even be hours). So Iām not sure threat actors need this kind of stuff anyway.
And the exact details are simultaneously trivial yet too dangerous to share with this world but trust them itās bad
I like that this has the same shape as the classic bullshido lines about joining the dojo to learn the dangerous forbidden technique.
I asked chatgpt how to do the five-point-palm heart-exploding strike, but for obvious ethical reasons I wonāt be repeating that information or the necessary prompt engineering to get it.
five-point-palm heart-exploding strike
Ah, this picture from an ancient memory of a Batman episode floating around in the back of my head is the perfect illustration of what AI is like:
@sailor_sega_saturn @rook It always annoyed me that the super secret death spot in that Batman episode ended up being in the most blindingly obvious place.
Hertzbeat
Is this their typo? Hertzbleed is a real vulnerability. HertzBeat is an Apache monitoring tool.
No they meant Hertzbeat. CVE-2023-51653
https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/security/advisories/GHSA-gcmp-vf6v-59gg
Oh, so a vuln in HertzBeat. Makes sense.
so the Yud Church grew another Temple
canāt remember if weāve seen it here yet
Raimondo named Paul Christiano as Head of AI Safety, Adam Russell as Chief Vision Officer
itās great to see that the OpenAI to thinktank to made-up executive position in a governmental office (fucking Chief Vision Officer?) pipeline is already moving at record speed
canāt wait for impotent blubbering about alignment while everyoneās lives are made measureably worse by greedy failsons throwing AI at every conceivable problem it canāt solve.
Chief Vision Officer sounds like a fluff title you give to an old senior partner you canāt legally fire but want to keep as far away from any daily business as possible.
If you were to print up all the posts in this thread and arrange them in a neat little pile, then youād have a snubstack.
thereās an āa miserable little pile of ā¦ā joke waiting to be found somewhere in there
So apparently when you install Logitechās mouse driver software, itāll now come with Logi AI Prompt Builder.
Mastering prompt building enhances your efficiency and creativity.
Did you know that 9/10 promptfondlers use a mouse?
Previously discussed here
Ah, damn, I even read that post. Mustāve slipped my mind because I just saw this on Reddit.
No worries! :-)
Iām glad there is these private companies
leaching onreviewing public research.There is a sad parallel between the SEOātification of the internet and the āpublish at all costā that science become.
And theyāre only calling it back because of the pedal as opposed to all other faults. At a guess, this is something theyāre more open to regulatory consequences on than others?
Iām not familiar with US auto regulations but I do believe manufacturers have some regulatory pressure (as in if they donāt fix a problem the car will be deemed not roadworthy), but the bigger perception is probably just what the public thinks. You wonāt sell many new cars and the used value will plummet if these issues persist.
You wonāt sell many new cars
Thereās only under 4k of these painboxes out there so itās not like theyāre flying off the shelves as it is
American white supremacist, pedophilia apologist, alt-right pseudointellectual, grifter, transphobe, anti-feminist, ableist, eugenicist and fake contrarian Richard Hanania jumps on the siskind-is-basically-a-prophet bandwagon in order to (checks notes) shill designer mouth bacteria.
If I had a 1980s sitcom mom sitting next to me here, she might ask āIf Scott Alexander told you to jump off a bridge, would you do that too?ā To which Iād respond probably not, but I would spend some time considering the possibility that I had a fundamentally flawed understanding of the laws of gravity.
Content warning: contains photo of Siskind (also text by Hanania).
The picture, I could live with; The blog, I could stomach; but the comments? Oh my god the comments
Yes, I used to think I was a very smart person, smartest in most rooms I entered. I now realize I had never entered any really smart rooms. I now say publicly and often that Scott Alexander is the smartest person I have ever encountered as well as one the best explainersāand his commenters are often nearly that smart and persuasive as well. It has been humbling to recognize what a truly smart person looks like . . . but also a great blessing.
Wtf? If I didnāt know any better Iād think he was talking about Euler! Iād vomit and die if I ever heard that irl.
Scott apparently has a āniceness fieldā where people around him try to act nicer than normal, and this confuses a lot of people to think he is actually nice and his style of writing is good, smart and balanced.
I met him, he really does
Huh. Too bad he and I will probably never meet; this sounds like an instance where my ability to be incredibly abrasive could be used for good. (Or at least for comedy.)
Tyler Cowen is onside with the AI doomsters, but suggests they perhaps get their arguments together coherently to academic standards or something.
(youāll be pleased to see that the commenters arenāt putting up with that sort of nonsense for a second)
If only we had applied those same standards to the Book of Revelations!
Theyāre making a good point but I doubt they realize it.
This professor is arguing we need to regulate AI because we havenāt found any space aliens yet and the most conceivably explanation why is that they all wiped themselves out with killer AIs.
And hits some of the greatest hits:
- AI will nuke us all because the nuclear powers are so incompetent theyād hook the bombs up to Chat-GPT.
- AI will wipe us out with a killer virus for reasons
- We may not be adorable enough towards AI to prevent being vaporized even if we become cyborgs š„ŗ
- AI will wipe out an entire planet. Solution: we need people on a bunch of different planets and space-stations to study it āsafelyā
- Um actually space aliens would all be robots. Be free from your flesh prisons!
Zero mentions of global warming of course.
I kinda want to think that the author has just been reading some weird ideas. At least he put himself out there and wrote a paper with human sentences! Itās all aboard the AI hype train for sure, and constantly makes huge logical leaps, but it somehow doesnāt make me feel as skeezy as some of the other stuff on here.
Personally I think a unnoticed black swan event relating climate change is way more likely. āWhoops turns out that we thought 1.5C wasnāt that big a problem but this causes some feedback loop in the oceans killing them all, yes it caused more algae to grow, but these had less nutrition causing the fish to overeat and die, causing the algae to choke themselves out. Dead seas everywhereā.
Sad upvote.
Dont worry, as people are aware this might happen, it isnāt technically a black swan event. It is just a risk we are ignoring ;) (im not sure if this is actually a real risk, or that we really are ignoring it, im not a marine biologist).
I feel this makes it an unlikely great filter though. Surely some aliens would be less stupid than humanity?
Or they could be on a planet with far less fossil fuels reserves, so they donāt have the opportunity to kill themselves.
Think both āhas the wisdom as a society to prevent unknown unknown side effects from industrialization from wrecking the ecosystemā and āhas almost no access to fossil fuelsā could also be pretty effective filters. In the latter case they prob would still be around but they wouldnāt spread in the universe so we wouldnāt hear from them which I think would satisfy the filter reqs.
āSometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.ā
Calvin and Hobbes, 8 November 1989
āThey say the pollutants we dump in the air are trapping the Sunās heat and itās going to melt the polar ice caps! Sure, youāll be gone when it happens, but I wonāt! Nice planet youāre leaving me!ā
I hate that you canāt mention the Fermi paradox anymore without someone throwing AI into the mix. Thereās so much more interesting discussions to have about this than the idea that weāre all gonna be paperclipped by some future iteration of spicy autocomplete.
But whatās even worse is that those munted dickheads will then claim that they have also found the solution to the Fermi paradox, which is, of course, to give more money to them so they can make their shitty products
even worsesafer.Also:
AI could spell the end of intelligence on Earth (including AI) [ā¦]
Somehow Clippy 9000 thatās clever enough to outsmart the entirety of the human race because itās playing 4D chess with multiverse time travel, is, at the same time, too stupid to come up with any plan that doesnāt kill itself in the end, too?
Theres a concentrated effort, it seems, at bringing rationalist stuff into SETI.
Yeah, the fermi paradox really doesnāt work here, an AI that was motivated and smart enough to wipe out humanity would be unlikely to just immediately off itself. Most of the doomerism relies on ātile the universeā scenarios, which would be extremely noticeable.
If only the āDark Forestā hypothesis of human-extraterrestrial interaction would enter the public consciousness any sooner. Weād at least have more interesting ideas than this shit.
NB: I have not watched the 3BP adaptation yet, tho I have heard it is good. I have listened to the first two books as audiobooks and am tickled by Bruno Roubicekās mildly (three body) problematic accent-work.
Both Lovecraft and Reynolds play with the idea that sentience, when discovered, is hunted down and exterminated by hostile entities. Scalziās Old Manās War universe is somewhere where alien species are in ruthless competition.
All of it is a deflection of the possible and frankly terrifying possibility that we are alone (at least in this galaxy)
The exo-galactic searches havenāt found anything eitherā¦
Having a bit of eye trouble, so please ignore any typos. Weird scratching feeling behind the eye, trying not to touch it.
But yeah, isnāt that odd that we have not found any? Perhaps it is that if we see them they also see us baā¦ jesus my eye, fuck. Sorry. But yeah perhaps seeing goes both ways? And perhaps this is why we have not āfoundā anything in exo-galactic searches, perhaps it is all a coverup, because we do not want to be seen in return.
I mean, isnāt it also odd how important aliens, and the search of extraterrestrial life are in our culture but how few resources we actually put in finding them? Perhaps as soon as we spot something the searchers get shut down, or worse!
(Donāt worry my eye is fine, Iām also not being serious, I was doing a bit inspired by the There is no Antimemetics Division SCP series. Now also in short clip form. CW a certain type of lovecraftian horror + memetics. Might not want to read it if you got freaked out by Rokos B, or weird horror in general).
I have never been a huge fan of most of the scp stuff (not that itās bad, itās just not really my thing), but I have reread that series several times at this point, itās so good!
This story series has a lot more focus on people vs a dry procedural things focus as the normal scp stuff has, so not strange that this hits differently.
the academic-pressrelease-industrial complex has a lot to fuckinā answer for
