But of course we all know that the big manufacturers don’t do this not because they can’t but because they don’t want to. Planned obsolescence is still very much the name of the game, despite all the bullshit they spout about sustainability.

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    The problem is that there are fewer and fewer options with a headphone jack. My current phone has one and I use it all the time.

    Bluetooth sucks for a variety of reasons, such as:

    • not private
    • needs to charge (I’ve had BT headphones die on road trips or whatever)
    • not great sound quality

    I also like using bluetooth headphones sometimes, but having an option is good, and I don’t want to bring a dongle around everywhere.

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      Most Bluetooth headphones are encrypted with a key shared only by the headphones and the host device. Not sure why you think they aren’t private. Maybe really cheap or really old headphones might not be so secure, but the vast majority of Bluetooth headphones in use today absolutely are.

      Charging and audio quality are legitimate concerns, but again, you still have a headphone port… It’s just part of the USB-C port on the bottom of your phone. A $5 adapter completely absolves you of having to use Bluetooth.

      I really don’t see how needing an adapter is a big enough deal to care about the way people here seem to.

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        They broadcast the ID and I think type of device. Yeah, the data sent between the devices is encrypted, but that’s not really an improvement over wired headphones since the signal is privacy by virtue of not being broadcast everywhere.

        A $5 adapter

        It’s not the price that’s the issue, but the convenience. I can’t change my phone while using the adapter, and I have to bring it along wherever I go. Why should I need an adapter for something that used to come standard?

        What do I gain from not having a headphone jack? A slightly thinner phone due to slightly more space for the battery? My current phone has a headphone jack, and it’s no bigger than any other phone, and it has a larger battery than most. Better water resistance? I’ve never lost a phone due to water.

        So I’ll flip it around, why do you not want a headphone jack? What about a micro-SD card?

        My next phone will probably not have a headphone jack, and I’m annoyed just thinking about it.

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          I can’t change my phone while using the adapter

          Why should I need an adapter for something that used to come standard?

          The same reason you needed a new charging cable every time the USB standard changes: because technology standards change over time.

          If anything, audio adapters have been a thing for decades longer than cell phones have existed. This is not a new development at all.

          What about a micro-SD card?

          My phone has an completely excessive 512GB of storage, and I can use USB drives (including micro SD adapters) if I really want to save something to external storage.

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      Honestly most of these points don’t make a whole lot sense, yet these are the arguments I see every time wireless ear buds pop up in any conversation. Phones by nature are not private, and honestly, who is trying to intercept Bluetooth close to you anyways? Majority of what they would likely get is “oh another person listening to music or tiktok”. I haven’t charged my 3 year old $50 Bluetooth buds in weeks, and they are still sitting at great battery health. Proper research and care goes a long way, though the option to have replacement batteries is def a plus. And if you’re going on long road trips, just pack an adapter and wired headphones if you’re that conscious. What are you doing with your phone that you need top-tier audio quality on the go? Just seems like a very very niche market.

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        Majority of what they would likely get is “oh another person listening to music or tiktok”

        Bluetooth data is encrypted, that’s not what I’m worried about. I’m more concerned about tracking.

        Bluetooth transmits a unique ID, which can be picked up by any curious individual. That’s pretty much how “Find my Droid” and “Find my iPhone” work, and providing even more devices to track isn’t great. I can turn off the Bluetooth in my phone and use wired headphones to avoid it, and removing the jack makes that more annoying.

        top-tier audio quality on the go? Just seems like a very very niche market

        Why not? I often listen to music or whatever when exercising, riding transit, or doing yardwork. Having good sounding headphones is really nice.

        Audio jacks cost almost nothing, and I can buy them for <$1 each from Amazon, less if I buy in bulk. So it’s not a cost savings, and they’re not particularly big, so why do they need to remove it?

        Even if you don’t care about privacy or audio quality, it’s just really convenient to be able to use any cheap earbuds if you lose your nicer pair when on vacation or whatever. Why not have the option? Why force people to use an adapter?

        I also have Bluetooth headphones (bone conduction for listening to audiobooks on my bike), yet I still prefer the wired headphones around the house, on walks, and pretty much everywhere else.

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          I think the removal is less so the conspiracy, and more so just spacing on the board or even just pure neglect at this point, but I could be wrong. But I’m good with every other point you threw up there. The tracking bit does make sense too, just no one has ever mentioned it. Though I still don’t think anyone is hunting me personally lol. I understand having peace of mind is also good too, and honestly, should not be a luxury like it feels these days.

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      Get an USB c dongle and leave it on the cord then… I too wish we still had jacks, but that battle’s lost, and attacking the only somewhat conscientious phone manufacturer for following trends set by bigger companies is myopic. They do what they must to compete, it’s not like they’re drowning in money.

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        Even USB-C dongles suck.

        There are two types: ones that passes through the analog audio signal from the phone’s internal DAC, and ones that have a built in DAC and pretty much acts as external USB sound card. You need to know which type your phone supports and which type it is you’re buying.

        If it’s the type that has a built-in DAC (which I think is the most common but I might be wrong) they are fury-inducing absolute monstrous pains in the ass if there’s the slightest glitch in the USB connection. Because it’s like unplugging the audio device. Playback just stops for seemingly no reason and it doesn’t resume once the connection is good again.

        My solution is wired headphones plugged in to a small BT receiver I keep in my pocket. That way I get both an annoying cable and shitty audio quality lol.

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          I don’t see why you’d buy the more expensive one with the DAC. If the quality from the jack was enough before, the quality from the USB must be as well, it’s not like they removed the DAC from the SoC.