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Iran said it launched dozens of drones and ballistic missiles towards Israel on Saturday in a major attack following days of acute tension building up in the region and warnings from the US and elsewhere about a wider conflict erupting.
Air attack warning sirens began wailing over Jerusalem just before 2am local time on Sunday after the weapons were fired a few hours earlier from Iran with US and Jordanian military assisting Israel’s air defenses in intercepting the first incoming barrage.
With weapons believed to be still in the air en route to Israel, Iran’s mission to the United Nations posted on X: “Iran’s military action was in response to the Zionist regime’s aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded.”
However, it threatened more severe action in the face of further Israeli aggression and warned the US and Jordan specifically not to assist Israel.
Edit: here are links to the NYT and BBC live feeds.
Edit 2: updated summary and archive to reflect article changes.
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Yeah, Iran sucks and everything, but didn’t Israel start this by bombing their embassy in Syria? If Israel had been held to account for that, maybe we wouldn’t be looking at yet another flashpoint involving a nuclear armed state.
I don’t know what anyone expected Iran to do here.
didn’t Israel start this by bombing their embassy in Syria?
Israel bombed their embassy in Syria as a response to Iran helping Hezbollah and Hamas. At one point an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps spokesman said October 7th was a response to the death of Quds Force commander Qasem Soleimani, although they later retracted that. The Israelis wanted Soleimani gone because of his role in supporting Hamas and Hezbollah and earlier attacks on Israel, including his involvement in the 2006 war in Lebanon. Etc. etc. etc. on and on back to before Iran became Iran.
The middle-east is an illustration of the idiom “An Eye for an Eye Will Make the Whole World Blind”.
If we keep going back, Israel has committed far too many hostilities that were never responded to. Hell, they bomb syria most weeks without any retaliation form Syria. They commit horrors against west bank citizens all the time.
Let’s not forget that it was the US that started this trend of killing Iranian generals.
Has the US ever bombed an embassy? Knowing your post history, I have a feeling you left out that detail for a reason.
The Syrian Israeli strike was not on Iran’s embassy. It was on a building next door. An embassey is where you practice consultant affairs. Having a place to discuss military strategy doesn’t count.
As an apologist for the genocide, I know why you do it, I just want other people to see your strategy.
Have you ever worked on your vocabulary? It needs freshoning
Let’s not forget the same thing I have to say every fucking time in one of these posts: Just because the United States did something wrong does not mean others should follow
You guys need to learn from our fuck ups!
But maybe it wasn’t judged as a fuck up. Maybe it just gave license for others to replicate.
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iran is funding and arming hamas, hizballah and the houthis, all of which were attacking israel.
in addition to their attacks on usa bases.Wasn’t Hamas created in response to Israeli aggression?
Not defending Hamas, but they don’t exist in a vacuum.
The religious extremism that became Hamas was funded and grew to power with Israeli funding.
And continued by Netanyahu himself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
The goal of Hamas is not “to stop aggression” but to destroy Israel. So it was formed as response to Israel existence, to which many Muslims never agreed.
Israel is born out of aggression
Nonsense. It was born according to UN resolution (and League of Nations resolution as well). And since then the aggression was directed against Israel with multiple wars initiated by those who did not want to agree with the resolutions. If it were not for those wars many Arab/Muslim lives would be saved and there would not be a situation we are today. The situation with Palestine today is direct consequence of all that history because how Israel can trust an independent Palestine when Gaza ruling party has destruction of Israel as one of the main principle. The same principle that you seem to support by the way, thus supporting the cycle of violence with no prospects of peace.
Yes, it does, and it sucks. It’s basically war over there. That said, attacking an embassy is a line where Israel’s actions should have been condemned. The point is not that Iran is in the right in any way, the point is Israel is just as wrong here.
Iran’s response isn’t proportional though. Israel made a single strike on military leaders using a nearby embassy. Launching dozens of drones is an escalation.
It’s not even a smart escalation. It allows Israel to claim they were attacked disproportionately and launch strikes on Iran’s actual military in country. Iran has much worse defenses against cruise missiles and drones. Now they may lose what sympathy they had from other countries.
I predict the US will free the ship Iran took today within a few weeks. Maybe the Navy will knock out all Iran’s anti-air radar in the south, just as a show of force, and then not attack anything. That would be a good way to tell them to stop without killing.
The US just tried to negotiate with Houthis over the attacks in the Red Sea, an
omissionadmission that things aren’t going so well. Iran is in a stronger position than Houthis, I think your over estimating the US right now.Well the whole premise is that the US is trying to play middle ground seacop (shittily). Obviously if they wanted to they could delete the existing houthi command/regime. (And thereby creating Arab quagmire new, electric boogalo)
Have you already forgot Afghanistan?!
Do you need to be reminded how well the US “deleted” the Taliban Poshtun leadership?
Because the Houtis in Yemen is a very similar situation, even to the point of the Houtis also being a mountain people, and they’ve already been enduring American and British bombs delivered by Saudi planes for years now.
The reason the US and Britain, after an initial couple of days of heavy and loud chest pounding, very quickly went very quiet about their attacks on the Houtis following the latter’s attack on shipping, is because it just wasn’t working all that well.
America’s ability to militarilly bully a group into compliance with American wishes relies on the targets being city people, who are pinned down and own shit they don’t want to lose, and doesn’t frigging work on mountain nomads.
I don’t think the warlords of the taliban are the closest available comparison. I also don’t think the mountainous terrain of Afghanistan is the closest available comparison.
That said, it would still become a huge mess, as I clearly indicated
There guys keep losing wars and fucking up internationally, yet still behave like they have presidency over everyone’s existence lmao
That’s not so obvious. The US heavily supported the Saudi’s military campaign against Ansar Allah which ultimately failed. The US has since bombed them directly which has also failed. Like if the US didn’t have the capacity institutionally or otherwise to eliminate the Taliban why would Ansar Allah be any different?
Iran attacked the specific military installations that Israel used to perform their highly illegal attack on the Iranian embassy. This is the most textbook example of textbook examples of appropriate, proportional and measured self-defense we have seen in a very long time in the entire region. The relevant thing to count is not the number of missiles or drones, but the number of targets and their relevance to the case.
Meanwhile Israel funds and arms terrorist groups in Iran like the Mojahiden-e-khalq or Al-Nusra in Syria, in addition to their cyber attacks on Iran and assassinations of Iranian scientists.
al-nusra in syria is funded by qatar, which syrians are suing for that.
the mek was allegedly supported also by israel, along with the saudis and the usa.
which had to start after their funding and cooperation with saddam hussein. so after 2003. much after iran’s support for hamas since the 1990’s and the founding of hizballah in the 1980’s.and since then they’ve barely done anything other than the 2 assassinations related to iran’s nuclear program. not even close to hamas, houthis’ or hizballah’s actions. and they barely have any weapons or funding compared, let alone thousands of rockets and drones.
Of course Saudi tries to blame their enemy Qatar. That was more of an accusation than any solid proof, at which point the CIA likely helped them to since they were toppling Assad.
Meanwhile according to Wikipedia:
There were cases of al-Nusra combatants receiving medical aid in Israel and returning to fight. Former head of Mossad, Efraim Halevy, in an interview for al-Jazeera implicitly confirmed that such practices had taken place
Congratulations to the US for breaking apart any sort of pretension of support for international law by allowing Israel to do whatever the fuck they want. Now we’re going to let the crazed leadership of Iran and Israel to drag everyone around them and abroad into further military conflict. Goddamn morons don’t know how to say “this is too far”.
Ah yes, the turmoil between Muslim and Jewish populations which has only existed since the founding of America in 1776.
I wonder if Biden ever regrets creating such dogmatic differences when he gave birth to the cultures of the fertile crescent.
This is an awful take. Jews and Muslim populations are not separate races that have fought since existence. Israeli’s are mostly German; they do not have a corresponding Muslim population.
- Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Muslims lived fine together till Israel started 75 years ago.
- Same with Iranian Jews and Iranian Muslims.
- Same with Iraqis, Yemenis, and North Africans
Warden (War loving Biden) has focused more on Israel than abortion, legalizing marijuana, equality, health insurance, taxes, and everything else he promised since he has took office.
TIL 1.3% is mostly from wiki
also learned that 20% muslim arabs dont exist
As of 2019, Arab citizens of Israel composed 21 percent of the country’s total population.[54] About 82 percent of the Arab population in Israel are Sunni Muslims, a very small minority are Shia Muslims, another 9 percent are Druze, and around 9 percent are Christian (mostly Eastern Orthodox and Catholic denominations).
Everything from the table in your image is still considered as “German Jews.”
Arab Israelis are what Israelis call certain Palestinians but mostly the Bedouin that never identified as Palestinian (generally the desert south where nationality isn’t the norm). It’s not an accident that Israel is considered a Western nation. The people are from Europe (not that there’s anything wrong with Western values; it’s just they should belong in the countries developed them as their own culture).
Bedouin make for about 10% of all muslims in Israel
In 2019, the official number of Arab residents in Israel was 1,890,000 people
According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as of 1999, 110,000 Bedouins live in the Negev, 50,000 in the Galilee and 10,000 in the central region of Israel
and most jews arent european either
There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as “Ashkenazi”, “Mizrahi”, etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[50][51] In a 2019 study, in a sample meant to be representative of the Israeli Jewish population, about 44.9% percent of Israel’s Jewish population were categorized as Mizrahi (defined as having grandparents born in North Africa or Asia), 31.8% were categorized as Ashkenazi (defined as having grandparents born in Europe, the Americas, Oceania and South Africa), 12.4% as “Soviet” (defined as having progenitors who came from the ex-USSR in 1989 or later), about 3% as Beta Israel (Ethiopia) and 7.9% as a mix of these, or other Jewish group
in what country does jewish culture belongs?
Those in the area of places like Nazareth are simply Palestinians. Some of them seem to have a “Palestinian-Israeli” identity. As of now; they know of their Palestinian origins. They follow Palestinian traditions and are now starting to protest the war in Gaza (though it took them 6 months to get permission to protest I guess – perhaps you can clarify).
I’ll give you Haifa where so many Palestinians were killed or purged out, Arab culture may have gotten weaker. I have read that Haifa Palestinians fit best in Israeli society.
Looking around on the internet, I see that Jaffa has an actual “Palestinian” (not Palestinian-Israeli or Arab Israeli) identifying position. Which makes sense as Jaffa was a Palestinian town and Tel Aviv was built around it.
There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as “Ashkenazi”, “Mizrahi”, etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[50][51] In a 2019 study,
Is this self-identified or is it genetic based? I’m a little curious on how Israeli culture is affected by European Jews raising a lot of the North African
in what country does jewish culture belongs?
This is a loaded question. The Palestinians had to be pushed around a lot. I see posts about how Gaza actually had many Palestinian refugees. The issue isn’t Israeli’s are mainly Jewish; it’s about the crimes done by foreign actors against Palestinians who are the natives of Palestine. Your question FEELS more like “should not we keep punishing Palestinians for getting in the way of setting up a country on their land?” Another way to put it is why are Palestinians still paying for Hitler’s atrocities while Germany is doing so well?
Also, Germany and France have a lot of antisemitic laws, to answer your question directly.
edit: I guess I should call those laws anti-antisemitic laws
So now the Zionist spam brigades have started infesting Lemmy as well judging from some of the comments here. Very sad to see that. Last time I checked on Reddit it was already unbearable there.
This is really bad news, and by no means do I support Iran. But the attack on Irans embassy should have caused sanctions and condemnations. Instead Biden rushed to defend Israel as if Israel wouldn’t have started this.
I can’t believe what a fucking tragedy this is. With the US elections upcoming, Biden being prepared to die on this hill is what may actually cause that Trump wins and the US turns into full on fascism. Needless to say Trump won’t do jackshit for Palestinians either.
The same embassy that was full of Hezbollah? Iran is a terrorist state that sponsors terrorism.
Irrelevant, embassies are internationally protected sanctuaries.
So it’s okay to massacre 1200 civilians wherever, I don’t personally respect the international rights of Iran being they’re a terrorist state who does a lot of terrorism.
Irrelevant, embassies are internationally protected sanctuaries.
Except it wasn’t an embassy. You got worked.
This is all due to the breakdown of norms by allowing Israel to do whatever it wants. Respect for American soft power is non existent because of the double standard with Israel, Russia and the Middle East. Now American citizens get dragged into another war that they don’t want by the ruling class.
Not just allowing israel to do so, but providing them with weapons and now America and the UK are even intercepting any retaliation. Making sure nobody can fight back against the bully.
Western media hypocrisy made it seem mike an ordinary thing to target embassies, which have a very particular status akin to targeting the homeland territory , some mainstream media barely touched upon the news or dismissed it completely, if it were any other country like Russia targeting an EU embassy in asia or Africa it would have been non-stop news and escalation. they manufacture the outrage on small issues and keep the people ignorant on more important ones.
My local news straight up called these air attacks “Iranian aggression”. No, you fuckers, Israel went first this time. Usually it’s a slight slant but that’s just lies.
“went first”? Are we just sweeping under the rug Iran’s role on the 7th of October?
How far back do you want to go, lol? It’s easy to skip back to the last “tat” in a series of “tit-for-tat” that stretches back to the 40’s at least. The hardliners on both sides like to go back all the way to mythology, and while that’s obviously backwards it at least is intellectually honest.
On the 6th there was a ceasefire, then what Hamas did on the 7th changed that. People going further back are apologists looking to justify the unjustifiable.
Wowee, that’s so arbitrary.
Iran has officially declared the start of the attack on Israel. “The evil regime will be punished,” its leader said.
LOL! Iran calling someone else evil is really something. I’m eager to see where this round of fuck around and find out ends, since Israel is not known for forgivness. Only good thing I see at the moment is that Iran maybe has to stop supporting the russians to save equipment for their own stupid war.
Oh no the FAFO israel lovers have arrived
If it’s just drones, this is just a tit-for-tat for the attack in Syria and not WWIII.
It’s a good thing that Israel’s retaliation is never disproportionate.
Obligatory, since people are not getting it:
There can not be a “cost of doing business” for the likes of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. Has anyone here ever wondered why Hezbollah are so tame in this conflict, why they are so deathly afraid of an escalation? Hint: They are seeing the footage from Gaza too, they too are keeping track of how every single Hamas commander is being systematically hunted down, how Israel is willing and able to level an entire apartment block just to get one of them, global public opinion be damned - or, if they are feeling particularly humane that day, sending a small missile or drone precisely into the window that commander happens to be sitting behind.
How anyone expected anything but pure hellfire in response to the October 7 massacres and rapes is beyond me. No nation on Earth would have reacted any differently. The likes of Switzerland or Denmark would have gone medieval on the perpetrators in a situation like this. Iran is playing a very dangerous game. One “lucky” hit by one of their missiles or drones, e.g. into a busy crowd, school or hospital, could spell the end of the regime in Tehran.
No nation on Earth would have reacted any differently.
I see this canard a lot, and it’s simply not true.
There are plenty of nations that don’t have track records of ignoring international law and committing egregious human rights abuses, including during armed conflict.
It is simply not reasonable to assume those countries would start a campaign of massive civilian slaughter.
Last time I checked, the UK didn’t level parts of Belfast during the troubles and commit collective punishment of civilians there.
they also sent cruise missiles
That is unconfirmed. So far it’s drones according to the article and US intelligence. Our intelligence guys have been doing a good job forecasting what is happening so I’m inclined to believe them. Guess we will see in a few hours.
Iran launches dozens of drones, cruise missiles at Israel
also statements from iran about missiles being fired.
So, uh, are we doing World War 3 now? Just asking because I need to know if I should be canceling my summer plans and investing in canned food.
No. Sorry. This is Cold War II.
Cold wars don’t have direct conflict.Nevermind.
I am going to take the US perspective in all this and ask why they fuck are we even getting involved? They are half a world away. Why are Israel and Turkey? US allies? What have they done for us? Because it seems like we give them an awful lot and don’t get very much in return. The US should focus on defending the US and let Israel, Iran and all the rest of them have their part of the world with their conflicts. Just leave us the hell out of it.
Edit: And we need to stay the hell out of their business and leave them the fuck alone to run their countries the way they want to.
It’s the Middle East. It has a huge amount of a particularly important strategic resource. Additionally, the countries there generally have, at best, a cold relationship with the US. If not outright adversarial.
Israel is smack dab in the middle of it with access to the sea. It holds a massively important strategic military and geopolitical position for the US.
So, sure, what the other poster says is definitely part of it, but I think what primarily drives US support to be seemingly unequivocal is that the US/Israel alliance is also very important to US geopolitical influence as well.
As for that natural resource, we have quite a bit of it here in the United States itself. So we wouldn’t have to rely on them to get that resource. That, and if the US really wanted to break away, they could very seriously incentivize the purchase of electric mobility devices, such as electric bikes and scooters and cars.
The US is 10th on the list of oil reserves
6 of those above the US are in the middle east (or northern Africa, depending on how you draw your boundaries). 5 of those have more than twice the amount of the US. One has probably around 5x. The US is burning through reserves right now, which is strategically a bad long term idea, IMO.
I agree with you that certain dependance can go away if we shift to electric. However, militarily speaking, oil is going to be king probably for a long time. And that’s what this is about. Not just making sure civilians can drive down the road cheaply, although that certainly plays a role.
Oil is crucial for agriculture and the production of vital chemicals and materials. We really shouldn’t be burning it.
Gotta tell Ya’ll Qaeda that they’ll have to give up their trucks but they can keep plastic straws.
I know this is not the time for this typa comment, but I’m really annoyed that what I said last week is proven true
Imma be completely honest and say that Iran probably won’t do anything except maybe throw some cruise missiles from afar that hit some random outpost or send a drone because they don’t want to risk anything.
I’d love to see a competent air force take on the IAF, but I don’t think anyone in the middle east actually has one besides Israel and the USA’s own bases.
This attack is over hyped and kinda lame. When India and Pakistan had beef in 2019, they had a whole ass air skirmish which ended with a captured pilot, fratricide’d helicopter, a crap ton of artillery barrages, and possibly a second aircraft shot down.
Regardless of the poor reasoning behind it, at least they had the guts to fight each other properly.
Iran is just sitting back and sending a swarm of drones that will probably fail to deal any damage proportional to their embassy attack, all the while escalating with Israel which gives both Israel and the USA a reason to send even more weapons and supplies and finish their job decimating Gaza.
Inflight Emergency (IFE) declared via squawk 7700 for USAF tanker, now returning to al-Udeid from over Iraq (electrical).
QUICK UPDATE:
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Iran names the operation “The Promise of Truth.”
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Israeli aircraft are positioned over western Iraq.
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Interceptions have commenced over Jordan and Syria. A number of middle east Arab states announcing that they’ll knock down anything in their skies
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Incidents of drones crashing in western Iraq have been reported.
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Iranian media suggests that ballistic missiles will be launched from Iran in the early hours of the morning.
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Airspace across the Middle East is closed
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Al-Arabiya reports that British fighter jets are now involved in operation to interceptal Iranian drones launched against Israel
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6 p.m. ET Isreal should start to see missles, rockets and drones
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Would you look at the time. It’s april 13th the day history starts
