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    Yeah, we should let Joe do genocide because if we don’t, Trump will do genocide 😢

    Pathetic.

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        Obviously Trump would be much worse. No sane person would say otherwise, and I do object to his campaign.

        The point is, Biden has always, and continues to support the apartheid and slaughter of countless Palestinians. This cannot be ignored.

        Right now, Biden is in office and is signing bills to send bombs to Israel which will be used to kill Palestinian families.

        These protests are an effort to end such policies, and reduce funding to companies who participate in the genocide.

        The protests are an effort to force Biden to make an effort to end this tragedy.

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          You guys will protest your way to a Trump presidency like a bunch of fools. Happens every 4 years, the rubes fall for the third party push.

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            If the democrats would stop supporting genocide then this wouldn’t be an issue

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      Yes. Exactly. Because while Joe might do genocide there, Trump will do genocide here.

      Or would you prefer to sacrifice your trans neighbors for your righteousness?

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        I don’t think you understand what protests are. Protests exist to influence policy. If Mr. Joe wants votes, change policy, get votes. It really is simple!

        Remind me how Mr. Joe is protecting trans people down in the southern states?

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          Remind me how Mr. Joe is protecting trans people down in the southern states?

          The president can say “Hey Congress, can you make this bill?” but Congress has no obligation to listen to him. Unless trans rights are being violated specifically by executive agencies, the president’s influence is pretty limited.

          It’s different with Isreal, in that Biden has to approve foreign aid bills made by Congress, he himself expresses support for aid to Isreal, and he has the power to make treaties (as long as Congress approves them)

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          Is the president a king? Can he unilaterally decide policies and enforce them on states? Where did you get your education? North Korea?

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              Our government does not give him the power. I’m taking a class on the US government right now and this is literally just how it works. We give that power to congress and the states, and we can’t really change that without a constitutional amendment. This is with regards to trans rights in the south, he does actually have some more power when it comes to Israel.

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      Joe Biden isn’t doing a genocide.

      You realize plenty of very smart people do not agree that there is a genocide happening in Gaza?

      It’s a warzone in a place with a culture of encouragement for willingly standing under incoming bombs to try and prove a point.

      The low five-figure civilian death toll is not a product of Israel’s legitimate self-defense (targeting the 450 miles of tunnels that zigzag an area only 25 miles wide). It is a direct product of Hamas and the culture that it fosters in Gaza.

      How sad are these morons going to be when Trump gets in and starts off a war that kills millions of people? Trump already tried once and the only reason we avoided it was because of the international backlash against Iran after it tried to shoot down a US bomber but accidentally shot down its own civilian airliner.

      “Genocide Joe” is a foreign propoganda meme. People saying it have been tricked.

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        This post is a joke, right?

        Ain’t no way you guys are actually this bloodthirsty.

        Right?

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          No. Its not a joke, but this is also not the opinion of most of us that are tired of hearing the run up to our election be spammed with nothing but how biden is singlehandedly responsible for netanyoohoos disaster.

          Gaza is a genocide. The IDF is out to exterminate a culture via bombs and a refusal to providebasic life sustaining resources. That is pretty plain as far as definitions of genocide go as best as i can tell.

          At the same time, im also aware that hamas was egged on by another deranged dictator to distract from the war hes waged on a country he calls a stepping stone to the denazification of eastern europe. Im aware that status quo joe is the only one of the 2 candidates that stand a chance in our election to support Ukraine, just as im aware that his stance on israel is a continuation of US policy for the past 70 yrs. I will add that im aware hes the first president ive had in my lifetime to even verbally acknowledge that what israel does is morally repugnant (calling for new israeli elections), just as im aware that US soft powers are critically endangered geopolitically as our allies fear we change our mind on whos a friend depending on whos in power. I can guaran-fucking-tee u that if Bernie was pres and tried to stop arms sales to israel, 70 senators would be ready to override him and call him an anti semite. The whole genocide joe nonsense is drummed up by foreign bad faith actors keen on installing a foreign stooge as our head of state, again, by disengaging our youth from the political process we have.

          I support the protests bc i support palestine. I dont support joe biden any more than filling in the box next to his name in november. I dont support the genocide joe narrative bc i find it clear that it is being used for nefarious ends by hostile foreign powers.

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            how biden is singlehandedly responsible for netanyoohoos disaster

            No, but he did sign the bills to give them the bombs, and has supported the apartheid regime for his entire career.

            if Bernie was pres and tried to stop arms sales to israel, 70 senators would be ready to override him and call him an anti semite

            OK, I guess nobody should even try to stop it then.

            The whole genocide joe nonsense is drummed up by foreign bad faith actors

            Ah yes, college students. The classic foreign agents.

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          Bloodthirsty?

          No, the US alliance with Israel protects peace and stability for tens of millions of people. Just have my eye on things that actually matter. Gaza is a footnote in middle east history.

          I think you’re bloodthirsty. You want to see scuttle an alliance that has stopped Iran from open, hot war against Israel. That war would definitely kills millions of people, any way you slice it.

          You’re so sad about 30,000 people that you want millions of people to die. That’s blood thirst. I actually want the killing to stop, and so does Israel.

          Hamas could surrender and end the violence tomorrow. But Hamas is content to hole up underneath buildings filled with their own families and neighbors. That’s who you’re risking millions of lives to defend.

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            Absolutely vile.

            To support the wholesale slaughter and intentional targeting of women and children is monstrous. The IDF tracks victims to their homes, then drops a bomb on their entire family. You think noncombatants and children deserve to die? What about the humanitarian workers trying to prevent mass starvation induced by the IDF’s bloodlust?

            an alliance that has stopped Iran from open, hot war against Israel

            Absurd. Israel has consistently proven to be the agitator against both Iran and Palestine. Israel has been assassinating Iranian scientists within Iran for years and bombed the Iranian embassy without warning. Israel is begging for blood. Their actions will only fuel hatred.

            Despicable.

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              That’s nice you feel that way. Virtually the entirety of of the western diplomatic and intelligence corps disagrees with your threat assessment of Iran.

              Iran funded the October 6 attack and has been funding violence against Jews since before Israel was even a state.

              Moreover, Iran is a far-right religious dictatorship that has no future in the modern world. The future is in representative government and inalienable human rights. Iran would have you executed for talking about either one. Glad you like them, though.

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                Iran is a far-right religious dictatorship that has no future in the modern world.

                And Israel is not exactly this? Don’t make me laugh.

                The future is in representative government and inalienable human rights.

                Yeah, you showed that you really respect human rights when you said the deaths of 30,000 civilians was justified.

                In case you have forgotten, during the creation of the Israeli state in 1948, this was originally Palestinian land. The native Palestinian were forcibly expelled and massacred by the Israeli Jews.

                Condoning Israel’s aggression does not mean Iran is without issue.

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                  Yes the Ottoman empire held the land before Israel was created in 1948. They took us violently from Hebrew speaking Semitic peoples called the Judites. They were forcibly expelled by the Ottomans.

                  And Hamas knows this too, as they find (and destroy) Hebrew artifacts all the time whilst digging the tunnels.

                  The land records don’t weigh in Palestinians favor, unless you open your history book to the last one third and pretend there is nothing before it.

                  I didn’t say 30,000 deaths is justified. I said Hamas caused the deaths. It is not justified. And this is in part why Hamas must not strangle another generation of Palestinians.