• davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          3 months ago

          can-excuse-1 I can excuse genocide incitement, but I draw the line at suicide incitement.

          • Victor@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            I don’t excuse genocide incitement, that is inexcusable. But nobody was doing that, so. 👍

            • я не из калининграда@lemmy.ml
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              3 months ago

              true, that fucker was inciting omnicide, which is even worse. why do vile ecofascists like you always do lip service to the fact that the statement “the world would be better without [insert ethnic group]” is evil but are suddenly ok with the prospect of murdering even more people? absolutely disgusting ideology of yours.

              • Victor@lemmy.world
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                3 months ago

                They weren’t inciting anything. They were just answering the question of what the world would be better off without.

                They aren’t saying humans should actually be murdered. It is hard to deny the fact that we as a human race do nothing but exploit nature right now, rather than coexist with it. That is what is being said. Not that “we should kill all humans”. That’s reading too much into it, just like you are reading way too much into what I’m supposedly insinuating (i.e. “murdering even more people”, which makes no sense because nobody was talking about murdering anybody lol).

                Relax. I have not expressed anything that you can derive an ideology from. So you should not get your debate-trigger-happy panties in a twist over anything that’s being said here. It’s an objective, truthful answer to OP’s question.

                I’m not saying anybody should die. The commenter is not saying anybody should die. You aren’t saying anybody should die, right?

                All good? 🤝

    • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      He causes no harm to the people who don’t like him but he has helped thousands of young men sort their lives out and get their shit together. This has objectively made a huge positive impact in the world.

            • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
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              3 months ago

              he encourages the idea that physical fun time is a human right

              Care to elaborate on this? I’ve listened probably 20 hours of him talking but I don’t remember him saying anything like this. To me his core message seems to be that stop blaming the world for your issues and instead look in the mirror and sort your own life out first. He even became famous as the “clean your own room before you go out fixing the world” dude.

              • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.ee
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                3 months ago

                I said that euphemistically, but he’s quite famous for his teachings regarding the community known as incels which he describes as having been failed by society, mentioning his notion that they would be satisfied if society was built according to ideal conditions, which implies what they want should be a given, with incels being predominantly men, most of whom are self-convinced into thinking their situation is more than happenstance and almost never based on their own prior social conduct.

                The belief in inherent entitlements and obligations, especially when they’re not even balanced, is the biggest reason society has succumbed so hard in the first place, which he even says when it doesn’t involve the interests of his target audience, yet in any discussion on sexuality, including asexuality, which his dismissal of is feeding into some of how we’re treated in the world, you’ll find him bringing up this train of thought.

                • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
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                  3 months ago

                  The quote you linked is not from Jordan Peterson but a random twitter user called “TYL80737692”

                  If you want to know JP’s thought on incels you can look it up and hear it from the man himself rather than look for someone to intrepret it for you and add their own spin to it.

                  From the comments of the first video: “It’s ironic that mainstream media slandered Jordan Peterson as “King of the incels” when he routinely tells men that if women don’t find them attractive - it’s not the women’s fault - but men’s fault, and it’s each man’s responsibility to fix it.”