Pride should stem from good personal decisions or accomplishments given one’s situation and life circumstances. Being born somewhere isn’t a decision nor an accomplishment.
I think the problem is that people conflate being proud of others with themselves. They take on the achievements of others as their own.
This dude was from my place and was great so therefore I’m great.
This is what nationalists, fascists, racial supremacists and other extremists do on the regular. They have no achievements of their own to be proud of so they have to steal somebody else’s.
There are two sides to it.
If a childhood friend of yours grows up to be a skilled athlete, you can be proud that someone with a shared downtrodden background as yourself has excelled: it’s a shining example to the world that it can’t oppress all of us, and there is a sense of genuine communal solidarity in it.
That being said, if you come from a pretty majority background with plenty of opportunities, and you take communal pride in your friends achievements, then there is nothing really won. The world was never trying to keep your community down, your friend just did well and you should be happy for him and that’s about it.
Needs to be narrower. Nobody should be proud of being from where they are from because they are from there. It’s not inherently good to be from any particular place.
But you’re allowed to be proud of your local community because of things they have done regardless of whether you were born there or not.
But then how do I do jingoism? /s
Came prepared to downvote this for being common sense, but judging by the comments it actually is surprisingly unpopular! Well played.
It’s less about accomplishment and more about being proud of the city or town itself. Proud of the people you called neighbors and their struggles and lives. Proud of the community banding together and supporting each other.
Thats at least how I always saw it
Pride is defined by Merriam-Webster as “reasonable self-esteem” or “confidence and satisfaction in oneself”. Oxford defines it as “the quality of having an excessively high opinion of oneself or one’s own importance.” Pride may be related to one’s own abilities or achievements, positive characteristics of friends or family, or one’s country.
But it is about accomplishment, pride is directly related to self-esteem, self-confidence, self-satisfaction. In America there are way too many people who are “proud to be American” without really thinking much beyond that.
I think it’s okay to be proud of one’s own community if they’ve taken part in shaping that community and made it better in some way.
“Proud to be an American” is a manufactured, measured out, and heavily marketed slogan, not actual pride. Hell, every nation does this. It’s only one method of control among many, though.
Secondly, it’s wiser to not cite dictionary sources unless your argument is syntactical; socioeconomic strata are very unlikely to be accounted for in whatever abridged morsel those references offer — to say nothing of the psychological variance inherent in such a topic. Furthermore, vernacular morphology is real.
Keep looking for answers, though. (This is less an “Unpopular Opinion”, and simply a seedling of a thought needing some attentive guidance.
I think society would benefit if we all felt a sense of pride in our communities and people in a positive aspect
Can we do that on a global scale instead of being restricted to within the borders?
Yep. People watching the Olympics while being obese sitting on a sofa eating big macs with extra cheese. The athletes did all the hard work, and the audience at home take the pride for whatever reason.
Humans have not evolved beyond tribalism. They still think in terms of borders instead of the planet.
You can be proud about your country. You can be proud about everything that makes your country special. Your food, your traditions,… Why shouldn’t you.
Yeah, if you’ve got no own accomplishments to be proud of, I guess you can do that.
Sorry you are from a miserable area that has nothing to enjoy and take pride in. I’m from St. Louis originally, and despite it’s many faults, history of racism, and 2 centuries of shooting otself in the foot i still am proud to be from there. The sports teams are my favorite, the Arch is a beautiful monument, and the free services such as the zoo, Art Museum, and Muny theater are all amazing municipal achievements that took the whole community to accomplish.
You can be proud of where you are from and be open about the faults and problems of that place. Civic pride isn’t blind nationalism.
…April fool’s…?
Not sure if you’re being serious, but if you are, you’re perfectly proving my point.
LGBT+ people celebrate pride month for how they were born. Martin Luther King Jr, Rosa Parks, Frederick Douglass,and Malcolm X all took pride in looking like their parents. Ukrainians are proud of their country in the face of Russian invasion. Were all those people dumb for taking pride in something they had no control over?
It just seems to me that you are ashamed of wherever you are from and can’t understand someone else having prode in their home
Because you did nothing to create any of that. Appreciating one’s country especially certain aspects of it seems like a good idea. Being proud of it makes no sense. Most countries have some ugly shit in their past. Proud of that too? Not sure you get to pick and choose.
There’s nothing that necessitates that you can only be proud of things you have personally done.
Unless you care about “meaning”
There is nothing in the definitions of pride that necessitates it either, so yes including if you care about what it actually means rather than what you want it to mean. If you look up the definition of the word it includes multiple definitions of pride that do not require your own personal accomplishments or actions, and those are not new definitions. It’s extremely common in the English language for a word to have multiple meanings depending on the context they’re used in that may be connected but are not necessarily the same.
So I shouldn’t proud of my personal identity and my roots? Which literally plays a huge part of who I am today and especially, where I was brought up cuz without it, I wouldn’t be me and I wouldn’t have an identity without it.
But ok then go off………
You still have your identity without having to feel proud about it.
My country sucks big time. Should I feel ashamed even though I contributed nothing to its suckiness?
That’s a leap in logic. Pride is a personal thing no one else can dictate what you are or aren’t proud of, nor can they dictate what you’re ashamed of. Someone else being proud of their heritage in no way implies that you have to he ashamed of yours.
They can feel whatever they want, it is their freedom.
I am just saying that there is no good reason for their national pride.
The long standing definitions of the word that don’t necessitate that you can only be proud of things you’ve personally done seem like plenty good reason to me. National pride isn’t an excuse to be an asshole or a bigot or to oppress people, but national pride has never been necessary for people to exhibit that sort of behaviour. Being proud of your origins and your roots and where you’ve come from is not inherently a bad thing if you’re mindful about it. And just because you don’t personally feel proud of your own roots, and I’m sure your reasons for feeling that way are perfectly legitimate, that doesn’t mean you have to project your personal feelings towards your own roots on other people who feel differently about theirs.
