I hate to break the news to people but there was an article just the other day about “swing voters” in Arizona. It was a mix of Rs, Ds, and independents who voted Biden in 2020 and Trump in 2024. They asked their opinions on ICE, etc. etc. Pretty much all IIRC said that ICE is going too far, people are living in fear, etc.
The thing that stood out is the last sentence- NONE said ICE should be abolished/dismantled.
Reading in here you’d think the popular opinion is that it should be. I can tell you it’s not true. Even some of my more liberal/left friends don’t always think it should be abolished, not to mention anyone more center.
I personally think it should’ve been abolished yesterday and the entire DHS dismantled but I also realize that is not the popular opinion, or at least seen through polling etc. I hope all the people thinking it should are voting in primaries for candidates who argue it should. Or convincing their neighbors that it should and they also vote accordingly.
I understand that. My point is why pander to the nonsensical policy prescriptions of “normal” middle class America? They are illiterate. Just tell them they’ll still have shopping malls and Netflix and we’re abolishing ice.
I didn’t say fuck them. I said ignore whatever polling you think these people represent. These people’s opinions do not matter, they will hold whatever political opinion you put on tv in front of them. They will follow anything.
As for your arguments about political power, I only somewhat agree. Political power springs from the barrel of a gun.
To disregard those is a mistake. That bloc’s opinion needs to change in order for them to help do something about it. They’re needed, because it’s a big bloc. It might include many of those who don’t care enough to vote.
I hate to break the news to people but there was an article just the other day about “swing voters” in Arizona. It was a mix of Rs, Ds, and independents who voted Biden in 2020 and Trump in 2024. They asked their opinions on ICE, etc. etc. Pretty much all IIRC said that ICE is going too far, people are living in fear, etc.
The thing that stood out is the last sentence- NONE said ICE should be abolished/dismantled.
Reading in here you’d think the popular opinion is that it should be. I can tell you it’s not true. Even some of my more liberal/left friends don’t always think it should be abolished, not to mention anyone more center.
I personally think it should’ve been abolished yesterday and the entire DHS dismantled but I also realize that is not the popular opinion, or at least seen through polling etc. I hope all the people thinking it should are voting in primaries for candidates who argue it should. Or convincing their neighbors that it should and they also vote accordingly.
whats funny is ice is a relatively new thing so I don’t see why not abolish it.
Ok but these people are too stupid to care about. Just jangle some keys after abolishing ice and they’ll forget about it
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I understand that. My point is why pander to the nonsensical policy prescriptions of “normal” middle class America? They are illiterate. Just tell them they’ll still have shopping malls and Netflix and we’re abolishing ice.
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I didn’t say fuck them. I said ignore whatever polling you think these people represent. These people’s opinions do not matter, they will hold whatever political opinion you put on tv in front of them. They will follow anything.
As for your arguments about political power, I only somewhat agree. Political power springs from the barrel of a gun.
To disregard those is a mistake. That bloc’s opinion needs to change in order for them to help do something about it. They’re needed, because it’s a big bloc. It might include many of those who don’t care enough to vote.
The first reaction is because that sounds like just allowing unlimited immigrants. They can’t consider it not existing.