Repugnant comments in response to someone comparing Iran to Ghorman. Libs truly cannot have a modicum of humanity with the third world. These same people will say “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” when asking you to support the people who bombed Gaza to rubble. A LOT of Ukraine flag bio posting in there as well. People saying Ukraine is the real perfect victim cause their government has never hurt anyone. Yeah 8 years of bombing schools and arming literal nazis was just nothing, just epic wholesome shit. They want to pretend to be anti-fascist cause they watched a show, but they will worship actual fascists in a second
I said at the time that the choice to make the Ghor French-coded belied the fact that they couldn’t imagine making audiences empathize with “imperfect” victims or even minority coded victims.
It is a dead-end, not radicalism or a call to action. These people jack off to “I have friends everywhere” signs cause they recognize a fellow consumer, but they will not recognize the legitimacy of states opposing the west.
Americans aren’t even regular literate; why would you expect them to be media literate?
These people see the intense bombing Gaza went through while official death tolls were in the 30,000 range after a year of it, which was surely understated, and they also believe that the Iranian government managed to kill 30,000 protestors in the matter of a month without evidence of violence on a massive scale as Gaza.
These motherfuckers were claiming Iran killed 20,000 protestors in a single day when Khamenei was killed.
Was actually blindsided with this narrative, not only by how fucking ridiculous it is, but by how I hadn’t seen any buildup of the story - to me it just appeared fully formed from the brow of the US propaganda machine like Athena
Not that reason would ever work on these types of ppl but that’s a lot of bodies, how would that even work logistically? How many people could the Nazis exterminate per day with their industrially-sized human slaughterhouses? Always the most absurd claims for the violence they are about to commit (babies in ovens, pregnant women, 20,000 ppl in one day, etc etc).
The nazis probably could do 20,000 in day
After building tons of facilities in conquered territory, already having rounded up millions of people and being in war time conditions
they also believe that the Iranian government managed to kill 30,000 protestors in the matter of a month
That was more like matter of days! They were that eager to believe any information that confirms their own superiority over the ‘orientals’ .
The violent riots lasted literally 3 days. Hilarious
USA definitely gives off empire vibes.
But the Islamic republic is no ghorman. Didn’t they just kill thousands of their own people weeks ago?
“The US is the empire, but Iran is evil because they killed thousands of protesters! I know because the US said so.”
isn’t the plot that protestors are being led by empire to get consent for the imperial control
Yep, which is funny, these fucking ********************** cannot understand the fucking show itself.
their own people
Unfortunately Iran also said so. Usually this is considered insufficient by propagandists so is pumped up into the 10s of thousands, though.
That’s not Iran saying that it killed thousands of protesters. Of course, Al Jazeera wrote it in a way such that if you want to read it that way, you will.
I think if the people killed were predominantly security forces and innocent bystanders that would have been emphasized a lot more by state media, and it would have been cast as a terror attack instead of insurrection.
The quoted statement by Iran literally did emphasize precisely that, the rest was editorializing and quoting “respectable western organizations” by Al Jazeera.
This is cope. A lot of people were killed. Whether you think it was justified is another thing but accept it. This place went crazy last month when Good and Pretti were killed by ICE. Two people.
Inocente bystanders and policemen, stop spreading western propaganda.
You can not like something a country does and also not want that country to be bombed. Because let’s be real: the people who did the killing aren’t getting justice. Did those 150 girls deserve to die because some police thug was doing police thug shit?
Call me AALewis because I’m going to quote myself again.
Liberals hypocrisy monger over “queers for Palestine” because they can’t grasp the idea of being opposed to genocide on principle.
You can not like something a country does and also not want that country to be bombed
Correct! That is what I am saying. I am further saying that lying about what the country did because you don’t want it to be bombed is stupid. I am attracted to socialism because I want to understand and act within the world as it is.
Two things can be true?
That’s obviously what he is saying. Everyone else in this thread is saying something else. Why did you pick the one person who understands this to reply to?
The only thing I’m responding to is your assertion that Iran said that they killed thousands of protesters which was not factual.
What’s the implication made by mentioning good and pretti?
Imagine even, say, a few hundred protesters dying here. What would be the reaction? It would be quite large. It would be talked about a lot, even if they were, like, J6 type protesters. People wouldn’t sweep the event under the rug and pretend it didn’t affect anything.
Two white people died, people die every day, they just don’t count as people here
I wouldn’t go that hard as that because I think this place is better about that than most, but yeah that is the general miasma in which we swim every day in the west.
I promise you they weren’t shy about using the T word, I can find more examples if you want, and videos of people shooting at cops
As someone who loves Andor so much, I can definitely say this is the case. All the libs flying the rebel flag and singing Bella Ciao are the very definition of shitlibs.
PS, for any actual leftists who are fans of Andor, I wish we could use this flag instead:
I made a mistake with an acquaintance who is a fan of the show. I thought I could connect from a lefty perspective and brought up how aggressive US foreign policy (incl NATO and the MIC) makes everyone less safe (including in the imperial core) and how it sucks that the Ukrainian working class had to take a meat grinder to the face because of it.
Learned my lesson when I got an earful about how actually Ukraine is actually cooking the aggressive Russian invaders right now and the world is more peaceful under US hegemony than it’s ever been. That was like 2 years ago I think.
personally I hold it against the fans not the show
It can be both. Beau willimon spent time in Ukraine and said it inspired ghorman, so it’s at least partially on the creators own liberalism
sometimes what you read into the text was written into it
I watched a lot of reactions to the massacre. The two most common comparisons people drew were Gaza (genocide) and the maidan false flag snipers specifically. It didn’t take much for people to see empire as Russia. Tragic tbh, truly a show for 🇺🇦 🇵🇸 posters
Superman (2025) stands alone
I don’t hold it against the show itself, but I do think it dampens the show’s radicalism or at least speaks to why it was never gonna be a real watershed moment.
I think that’s simply too high a bar to clear in our hyper fragmented media emvironment. What would that “watershed moment” even look like? It’s our job to change the world, not a damn Star War’s.
Exactly, and what bothers me is how many otherwise wellmeaning leftists don’t get that.
um ackhually you stupid teenager, Iran isn’t Ghorm because Iran is bad.Just like literally every other time the US attacks someone, it’s just one bad guy attacking a smaller bad guy who would be just as bad or worse. In the show we saw Ghorm was good.
Ukraine has trained Latin American cartels and is killing civilians in Africa. Not exactly a small bean
Bu…but Zelensky wear nerd t-shirts sometimes?
It does have 1.4k up votes. The comments might suck, but obviously the majority agree with the post
🤫 we’re being angry right now.
Part of the problem is the westerner’s tendency to believe not in “no investigation, no right to speak” but the opposite, “no investigation, everyone MUST listen to and agree with my dogshit opinions.”
With fiction people see what they want to see. Maybe that’s in part a product of the destruction of media literacy both functionally and ideologically (“the curtains are blue!”), and it’s partially the fact that writers are libs and even when they’re writing something ostensibly anti-imperialist they can’t help but code their fictional Empire with aspects of The Other as the real-world empire depicts them, but regardless of the reason the end result in our current moment is that satire and critique will never change anyone’s mind about anything.
The best you can hope for is to already be on a journey towards anti-imperialism for other reasons, and to connect with a show about it because it makes those concepts seem a lot more clear.
This is why I have taken to mostly watching stuff actually made in the Socialist bloc. The DDR made most of the actual best anti-fascist works of fiction
After watching Mandalorian I got really disenchanted with the Star Wars franchise after being a life long fan. Is Andor worth watching?
It’s easily the best piece of Star Wars media to come out since the 80s. It’s a spy thriller first, and a Star Wars show second, and that’s to its benefit.
It has some genuinely radical themes too, though as OP points out, libs are notoriously illiterate
Id say it’s the best star wars media. It makes even the original trilogy pale in comparison when it comes to all the things that make me like star wars - Scrappy rebels, political allegory, charming rogues, pew pews, sci fi spirituality, stunning and slightly alien vistas, fascinating world building, and so on. It’s just so good.
Yes. Especially if you’re a life long Star Wars fan. It’s the single best piece of Star Wars visual media since the original trilogy.
Edit: I’m sure you know this, but just in case others don’t, be sure to find a way to watch it without giving Disney any money.
Andor is really fucking good and I got disenchanted with Star Wars over 20 years ago
It’s better than every piece of Star Wars media except maybe A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
Andor is worth watching even if you don’t care about or even hate Star Wars. Until the second half of the second season it could pretty much be any sci-fi setting. It still has lib bits but any Marxist will appreciate a lot of it.
I haven’t paid attention to any of the new Star Wars content post the prequels (2000s), not watched a bit of it but I watched this on a recommendation and it was absolutely worth it. It has a permanent place in my media collection now.
Good as shit
Andor is so good. It made me cry several times. I wish everything could be made with as much care and consideration as that show.
Fiction is bad at teaching specifics.
Yeah you’re right and I was a huge s1 defender
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